Formula 1 - 2013 Season

UT - he was being ironic.

Knew you would bring the politics in, with your dirty and ugly comments. Not quoting you just saying you make dirty and ugly comments sometimes. :p

"It is a platform for people to use protesting.
"I think it's good because I don't think it's for us to decide the politics...good or bad. We're here to...it's a good circuit, it's a good race and we think everybody's happy so we're here.
"MPs are good, we see them once a year, we never see them otherwise. They suddenly pop up, which is good because no-one knows who they are and suddenly they get their name in the paper.
"At least the groups who are there are talking with each other and trying to sort things out. I'm speaking to the leader of the opposition after qualifying."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22231448

Watch the Inside F1 feature for a breakdown n the comment - the BBC Foreign Correspondence explains what Bernie was talking about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22235460
 
Alonso would have been at least second in this one considering the drive he put in and was only what, 37 seconds behind at the end with no DRS and 2 more stops.
 
He would have challenged Vettel for the win. No one else did.
 
No question Vettel was strong but Bahrain is a good Red Bull track - tbh had Alonso won that today on pace then he'd be in an extremely strong position.

It's not so bad as he will be the man to beat in a lot of races that suits the Ferrari more. The Ferrari is good enough that he can make the difference this year, on raw pace, without needing rain or tyres to be favourable.
 
jimbo75 said:
No question Vettel was strong but Bahrain is a good Red Bull track - tbh had Alonso won that today on pace then he'd be in an extremely strong position.

It's not so bad as he will be the man to beat in a lot of races that suits the Ferrari more. The Ferrari is good enough that he can make the difference this year, on raw pace, without needing rain or tyres to be favourable.
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I remain in hope, but what Vettel did today was very reminiscent of 2011.

Still, it was a good race with a lot of fighting and Alonso did well to get in the points.
 
Perez is defending a bit too aggressively I think but he's been ok on passing. Button is basically crying because he was outraced today though. He's been plenty supportive while Perez was toiling the first 3 races, now it's too much.

Tough call for McLaren as well because frankly, they want to see Perez beating Button not the reverse.
 
Perez did bump Button at least twice when he tried to overtake. Why Button just stating the fact = crying? Did it must end in tears for the crying to be justified? I think any drivers would tell the same story if they were on the receiving end of Perez aggression, especially when your team mate did that kind of thing to them.
 
I agree, Perez was over enthusiastic in the race yesterday. Especially when he bumped Button from behind, could have ended very bad. In the state the team is in, fighting for scraps of points (and sponsors), agressively racing your team mate isn't something that should be happening.

I see part of the fault with McLaren - if Perez was on fresher tyres and a different strategy, they should have ordered Button to move out of the way to maximize both cars relative to their strategy then run the potential of losing all by having them collide. Yesterday reminded me a bit of the Perez that pulled a few stupid moves in Suzuka last year.
 
Button was guilty of some pretty hard racing himself against Perez imo, ran him off the road at least twice. I do agree that they both need to calm it down a bit.
 
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jimbo75 said:
Button was guilty of some pretty hard racing himself against Perez imo, ran him off the road at least twice. I do agree that they both need to calm it down a bit.
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I'm pretty sure that happened after Perez bumped him from behind though. That to me explains why Button defended that ruthless after that point. I don't think I've ever seen him that ruthless in the 3 years he was Lewis's teammate. It was a stupid move on Perez's part when he bumped into Button and it could have ruined both their races and with that a lot of points.
 
There seems to be a train of thought that suggests button brake tested perez when he went into the back of him. Wouldn't surprise me as button is a spoilt child. Perez will probably beat him comfortably this season.
 
Phil said:
I'm pretty sure that happened after Perez bumped him from behind though. That to me explains why Button defended that ruthless after that point. I don't think I've ever seen him that ruthless in the 3 years he was Lewis's teammate. It was a stupid move on Perez's part when he bumped into Button and it could have ruined both their races and with that a lot of points.
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What about Canada '11? A lot of people think Button knew exactly what he was doing then.
 
DJ12 said:
There seems to be a train of thought that suggests button brake tested perez when he went into the back of him. Wouldn't surprise me as button is a spoilt child. Perez will probably beat him comfortably this season.
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That's just nonsense. There's a video floating around, just watch it. Button was on the inside and took a tight line into the corner. Perez was coming from the outside and was naturally carrying more speed. He didn't account for that speed difference enough when he bumped him. Brake testing would have made sense if the two cars were following each other directly into the corner. That wasn't the case.

Jimbo75 said:
What about Canada '11? A lot of people think Button knew exactly what he was doing then.
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I'm one of those. If you consider the rain and that Button had ZERO visibility from his rear-view mirrors, it's quite likely he simply didn't know Lewis was there. IMO he should have known, but most likely didn't (or didn't think his team mate would attempt, despite his messing up of the corner that prompted his slow getaway). Different race, different year. It's probably the only example of a series of otherwise well controlled racing between the two over 3 years.
 
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Phil said:
I'm pretty sure that happened after Perez bumped him from behind though. That to me explains why Button defended that ruthless after that point. I don't think I've ever seen him that ruthless in the 3 years he was Lewis's teammate. It was a stupid move on Perez's part when he bumped into Button and it could have ruined both their races and with that a lot of points.
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TBH I think he didn't expect Button to come to virtual stop in the middle of the corner which caused the bump.

Regardless, rules state that you have to leave that car width for the other guy regardless of any racing lines, Perez got away with it last race against Kimi, Button got away with it this race against Perez and if my memory serves me right, Perez got away with it again this race against Alonso.
 
Martin Whitmarsh urged Perez to behave more like a McLaren driver and Perez did just that, it was a bit unpolished but I don't think any of it was truly bad. They can handle this internally in the team, but at least Perez showed some balls in Bahrain which he hasn't in the three preceding races.
 
Seems a bit of a backlash for Button - looking at the comments on the BBC F1 site a lot of people think he is just whining and throwing his toys out of the pram because his younger team mate seems to have been quicker in a race.

Still think McLaren should have told Button to back off - they were definitely on different strategies and the fight cost both time and Button his tyres.
 
Tahir2 said:
Seems a bit of a backlash for Button - looking at the comments on the BBC F1 site a lot of people think he is just whining and throwing his toys out of the pram because his younger team mate seems to have been quicker in a race.

Still think McLaren should have told Button to back off - they were definitely on different strategies and the fight cost both time and Button his tyres.
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I don't think any team can win; If they issue team orders they are 'ruining' the race, if they don't then they are harming one driver too much.

It was interesting seeing the two race, although it would have been better if Perez wasn't being quite as aggressive as he was.
 
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