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but seriously never mind best driver whats the coolest car ?
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Formula 1 - 2010 Season
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This one ?
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/f1greatestdrivers/action/1942041200.jpg
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The Teapot Behemoth.
New points system?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80521
Greatest F1 drivers, as voted by drivers
http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=40
Interesting. My heroes are in number 9 and number 1.
Doesn't make sense though, Schumacher has way better statistics than Senna, also more Championships and wins. He should be at #1.
The list is ridicilous anyway, Hamilton is waaaaay too high, as is Alonso, they should be around same numbers as Kimi.
But regardless of what Schumacher has more than Senna, Senna is better, the only one who could be considered same level would probably be Fangio, but they're from so different era's it's kinda hard.
Senna's career just ended earlier than it should have, and he didn't have the whoel team + 2nd driver boosting him always like Schumi did (well, always since he joined Ferrari anyway)
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It is what the drivers have voted. How can it not make sense? For instance Stirling Moss never won a F1 championship, but he's one of the greats nevertheless. Do you think he doesn't deserve to be in that list?
Ahh ok, if it was just the drivers' choice than it's based on personal preferences.
I think the list should resemble real accomplishments, in that case it would look completely different though. Schumacher won most races, has the best quotas by far and has at least six records (most wins, most fastest laps, most top qualifyings and on and on). Definitely the greatest driver ever (and I'm not a fan of his, just talking pure statistics here).
I think the list should resemble real accomplishments, in that case it would look completely different though. Schumacher won most races, has the best quotas by far and has at least six records (most wins, most fastest laps, most top qualifyings and on and on). Definitely the greatest driver ever (and I'm not a fan of his, just talking pure statistics here).
The entry for MS says he is statistically the best one.
So Senna is regarded as a greater driver due to his potential and of what he actually performed compared to Schumacher who actually lived up to his potential by winning more races and championships than anyone else?
Not that I am arguing in favour of one or the other, as I see certain problems in attributing greatness to a single driver in what is essentially a teamsport with many other factors as well.
IMO, Senna wasn't merely about potential, with 41 wins and three titles he had proven his class.
Senna was the only driver that had the skill and determination to face Schumi. If Senna hadn't been killed he would likely have taken a couple of Schumachers titles, not to mention Formula 1 would have been a lot more exciting.
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You're right, this isn't...
...but this is. Fact is, he did get killed in a very unfortunate accident and any comparison over another driver who has delivered on the number front is well... unproven potential. He very well could have, but... he didn't. So any talk about him being "greater than x" is kind of baseless as there is no real world comparison that we can look at on.
I'm certainly not arguing that he wasn't a great driver - in fact, he goes down as one of the greatest IMO, but I think any talk about if he is greater than Schumacher is kind of pointless. It's not as if the cars stayed the same and as I already mentioned, F1 is a team sport with many factors for triumph that goes beyond just the driver. Schumacher was part of a team that made him as great and there's little to argue that he didn't play is part and that anyone could have replaced him within that team.
"Senna died" doesn't prove that Schumacher wouldn't have still ended up being the most successful champion that he later became. This argument is pointless.
Senna raced in a far better era than Schumacher which is why many people says he's the best. No one can really say who was better with anything other than their opinion.
Sennas time really was the last golden era in f1, many good cars, many good drivers.
This isn't Schumachers problem as he didn't choose when he was born.
For what it's worth I think Schumacher was/is up their with Senna but due to the competition he faced I don't think I could make a case for him being better although I could for Senna.
Sennas time really was the last golden era in f1, many good cars, many good drivers.
This isn't Schumachers problem as he didn't choose when he was born.
For what it's worth I think Schumacher was/is up their with Senna but due to the competition he faced I don't think I could make a case for him being better although I could for Senna.
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POINTS CHANGES
The World Motor Sport Council approved a new system that would see the winner take 25 points with 20 awarded for second and 15 for third.
In addition to 25 points for the winner, 20 for second and 15 for third, the new proposal will then hand 10, eight, six, five, three, two and one points for the drivers finishing fourth to 10th.
The plan appears to give greater reward for victory but the percentage remains the same with the runner-up scoring 80% of the winner's share and third place on the podium taking 60%.
However, the rewards are proportionately less for fourth-to-sixth spots.
The World Motor Sport Council approved a new system that would see the winner take 25 points with 20 awarded for second and 15 for third.
In addition to 25 points for the winner, 20 for second and 15 for third, the new proposal will then hand 10, eight, six, five, three, two and one points for the drivers finishing fourth to 10th.
The plan appears to give greater reward for victory but the percentage remains the same with the runner-up scoring 80% of the winner's share and third place on the podium taking 60%.
However, the rewards are proportionately less for fourth-to-sixth spots.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
No, Senna is regarded as the greatest ever due to his accomplishments before he died, often winning with underperforming subpar cars.
Schumacher is good, but it was Ferrari that made him great... And yes I realize Ferrari was struggling prior to Shumacher bringing over much of Benetton over with him. But with the crew from Benetton combined with the money and resources of Ferrari, that just made Ferrari reach the technical excellence they had been missing up to that point.
Senna was great even in POS cars with POS engines...
Personally I liked it better when Shumacher was driving for Benetton, he actually got to show his skill more there, IMO. At Ferrari he was overshadowed by the car, IMO.
Regards,
SB
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tongue_of_colicab
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Well lets be honest, a large part of the Senna myth is because he died. I'm not denying his quality as a race driver but like a lot of famous people that died young the dying part made them more famous then being alive would have ever done.
You can't really use title numbers for comparison in different eras because level of competition between car manufacturers were different. Senna had to fight it out with Prost and so on, Schumacher didn't really have tough competition really purely because Ferrari ousted everyone else.
In terms of talents, Senna > Schumacher to me.
In terms of talents, Senna > Schumacher to me.
tongue_of_colicab
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You can also see that a other way. Senna and others were good, and on the same level. You could also say Schumacher was just way above the rest, no matter what driver you put him against.
Dont forget that Schumacher in his early years also battled Senna in a jordan (!) against Senna and his Mclaren. So its not that Schumacher only did what he did because Ferrari build a car way faster than the rest.
Dont forget that Schumacher in his early years also battled Senna in a jordan (!) against Senna and his Mclaren. So its not that Schumacher only did what he did because Ferrari build a car way faster than the rest.
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