Formula 1 - 2010 Season

Well, if you look at it from a WDC point of view Webber got out of it better now than if they would have finished 1 - 2. He has less points, but Vettel got no points at all so he's actually leading by more than when they would have finished.

Plus I doubt the team will be very happy with what Vettel did so in the end it might all go Webber's way because of this.

Problem is - Team is blaming Webber for this crash ...

On another note I'm happy for forgotten by everyone Renault!
Kubica was faster than both Mercedes cars in a race trim, but even rookie Petrov drove well this time and fought nicely with Alonso.
This shows that Renault's development programme is going in the right direction, they are every race closer to RedBull.
1st race RBR was over 1.1s quicker in quali than Renault
following races they were closing the gap to arrive at 0.8s behind RBR in Barcelona.
I will not count excellent performance from Monaco due to driver effect and very short track.
So the last race Renault was only 0.7s behind RBR and that on the track where RBR excels.
I think that Canada can bring them another podium finish based on pure performance.

BTW Ferrari will bounce back, but I'm not sure if that will be enough for them to win Championship this year.
 
20k? And than we have people complaining about the 150 euro's natal is going to cost lol :p Though the way that thing moves makes it look more like a motogp simulator than a F1 sim. I know its hard to generate the forces you have in a real car but this is totally different and more like a bike/rollercoaster.
 
Though the way that thing moves makes it look more like a motogp simulator than a F1 sim. I know its hard to generate the forces you have in a real car but this is totally different and more like a bike/rollercoaster.

You haven't tried one, have you?
10 years (!) ago, I got to try a rally simulator, built on chassis of a real rally car, with hydraulics moving and shaking it about. It was actually based on Colin McRae Rally (the original one), and being able to drive all the tracks with my eyes closed on my PC at the time, I just floored it at the start. After crashing in the first corner, I was genuinely scared for the rest of the stage.

You don't want to have multiple Gs sustained on corners and braking with a simulator, because that is a simulator - otherwise only real professional drivers would be able to use it. If the system is capable of sharp transient accelerations, the <1G maximum it can reach sustained is more than enough for a convincing experience. The target audience is pencil-necked geeks, anyway...
 
Lol yes you are right. Totally forgot about that. They should mount everything in 2 circles though. That way you could also make it go inverted and make yourself feel like a real jetfighter pilot :D
 
Or, he was not happy because understands Button's tyres were better near the end, and he would've overtaken him if not for team orders?
The moment when Button slowed down was clearly visible... and it was not when we heard it, but earlier. And Hamilton literally pushed him out of the track.

I doubt the tyres or the fuel had much to do with anything. The driver in front still has the upper hand, being able to dictate pace and to drive in a defensive manner. With the aero this season, overtaking isn't easy unless the front driver welcomes the effort. In this case, Hamilton clearly wasn't anticipating Button to pull a move on him, hence the reason why he didn't defend until he noticed it (too late) that Button was doing an overtake.

As for pushing out - Hamilton had the inside line, just as Button did in the 2nd corner after his pass. Irregardless how close it was - from Hamiltons perspective, they were both saving fuel and not driving in a defensive manner and thus shouldn't have had to be in that position from the beginning. Given that they obviously get on well (Lewis and Jensen), I suspect he wasn't too pleased about being put in the situation where he had to retake his position in such a manner. His initial thoughts might have been also with the team who didn't inform him that Button was coming up, despite the "saving fuel" heads-up.
 
I agree with Brundle. If Webber had just let Vettel take the position without fighting for it, he should just have quit. Vettel needs to mature, because this was an immature move of great arrogance.
 
After giving some thought about the Redbull situation, I am more or less certain that they did try to engineer a Vettel victory and were cought with their pants down trying to cover it up.

In Helmut Marko's public outting while putting the blame on Webber, there are indications that Vettel was told to seize his opportunity and apparently, Webbers mechanic was to inform Mark over the radio to let Vettel pass. To back this up in a justifyable way, fuel differences were cited (Vettel being able to be 1 lap longer on a more potent setting, while Webber turned down his in lap 38 - 2 laps before the overtake attempt). Problem is, Mark either didn't get the memo (accoarding to some rumours, the mechanic didn't inform Mark that he was to let Vettel pass) or he did, but decided to give room, but just enough and not make it easy, being not happy with the situation. That would explain the his move that was neither very defensive nor very inviting.

Vettel then seizes the opportunity on lap 40, comes up next to Mark on the left side and tries to pass. Webber doesn't yield an inch - Vettel goes right and hits Webber and the rest is history.

Now, if this were anything like a normal overtake situation between two racers (irregardless if within the same team or not), I sincerely doubt Vettel would for one, turn right in an effort to get on the racing line and two, after it goes wrong, to get out, pointing mad and crazy gestures at Mark. When he was overtaking, Vettel was expecting Webber to conceed position.

This is the only logical explanation, why Vettel insists that it wasn't his fault and the team, after he had returned to the pit, openly comfortes him and various people within the team put the blame into Webbers hand.

It also explains why Webber would be so diplomatic at the post-race interview. To me, he nearly looked as if he felt guilt and was trying to justify that the accident happened because Vettel moved to his right into him (two instances - right after the race to Button and then during the post-race interview with Hamilton). His comment about to "dig deeper" also implies there's more to it than meets the eye.

If this was anything like an ordinary race incident, Webber would be furious to have been put in that situation and having lost 10 points. The way it is though, I think he knows that Vettel is the clear favorite at the team and that they would rather have Vettel in the win. It also raises questions about Webbers future at Redbull. He doesn't have a contract for next year yet and I think these latest events (and his good performance) might not help him much.
 
Webber was letting Vettel passed in the incident though. Webber could have easily blocked him so they won't be side by side. It was Vettel silly moved that caught Webber by suprised. When Vettel swerved into Webber you can see Webber was shocked by his late reaction trying to avoid Vettel. I think Webber was expecting Vettel to go straight and brake normaly and he would just drop to second like Red Bull had plan. Webber wasn't going to make the order obvious that's for sure but he was letting Vettel passed.
 
No, that's ridiculous. If he was letting Vettel through, he would have braked earlier. What he did was give Vettel room and not close the door because they are in the same team.
 
When they crashed they were still some way from their braking point, if Webber brake too early on that straight, it would look too obvious it was team order. Webber was already yielding, Vettel was ahead like half car length in front. At that point Webber was going to give Vettel the position surely hadn't Vettel cut into him.

Watching the replay from Webber point of view, it was just Vettel pops up and next second crash. Maybe he was thinking of letting Vettel pass him on the outside, since there was more room there and a safer move. Maybe he was shocked too that Vettel chose the inside line.
 
webber wasn't yielding, he was playing track position. if he blocked vettel down the inside vettel could have gone down the center. Webber was trying to keep vettel on the dirty part of the track so he would have to break sooner also take turn 9 slower then what webber could. Webber would also have prime position for turns 10,11,12.
 
Horner is going down quickly in my book. In an exclusive interview with autosport.com, he now admitts that Webber radioed the team (between lap 38 and the collision) if Vettel could back off a bit. The response was this was not possible because of Hamilton.

As a reason why Webber was slower, he cites that Webber was probably having problems with his rear tyres. So, first it was the fuel - now it's suddenly the tyres? :rolleyes:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84093
 
Horner is not really in charge of the team. Helmut Marko is Red Bull Didi's man in the team and is pretty much in charge, and Helmut Marko said after the race that it was Webber's fault.
 
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