Drivers like Istanbul Park and that's his work as well!
But I agree, one good track don't make good track designer.
Formula 1 - 2010 Season
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Drivers like Istanbul Park and that's his work as well!
But I agree, one good track don't make good track designer.
tongue_of_colicab
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For those watching the BBC, Am I the only one annoid by the sneaky apple crapPad advertisments?
It's rather funny, even italian press are now admitting it that Alonso isn't getting even half the "bad mouthing" Kimi would have got if he got the same results Alonso is getting (from italian press)
In fact, Kimi got worse press while doing better than Alonso
In fact, Kimi got worse press while doing better than Alonso
itsmydamnation
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not really, we have just come from 2 lower speed tracks, the mclaren smashes the red bull in the first sector (not to many low speed or high down force corners) by 2-3 tens but then gets hammered in sectors 2-3 (high downforce corner 8 and slow corners). dont use absolute time difference to judge where cars are you have to look at the track as well.
what is interesting about that is that sector 2-3 do have quite a lot of stright so that shows just how much better the red bull is though the corners. i watched p1,2,3 and Q and the mclaren looked shocking in those last 3 corners.
there is a big disadvantage being on the dirty side of this track if your in 5th and get a good start you have a chance of jumping both 4th and 2nd. assuming everyone starts well lewis will have to use all his skill just to defend his position. that said webber hasn't been starting that well.
An awfully good race. Four drivers racing out in front was definately a great thing to see.
chavvdarrr
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I think Vettel was out of his mind, why turned right into Webber's car?!?
And Button was alarmed for low fuel... right after he attacked Hamilton
And Button was alarmed for low fuel... right after he attacked Hamilton
tongue_of_colicab
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He wants to win. You can't be a nice guy when you want to win. Though that doesnt change the fact that his action wasnt the smartest thing to do... Though I dont think he really wanted such a accident to happen. I think he expected Webber to move out of his way because he was already halfway past him. Obviously Webber had other plans.
And please stop the Schumacher comments. Its not like these things never happend before. For example DC and Hakkinnen also crashed each other out of the race a couple of times and what to think of Senna who in that one race where he had to start on the dirty side of the track from pole said even before the race that if he didnt come out of the first corner in first place, nobody would come out of it. And that is when he and Prost crashed.
And please stop the Schumacher comments. Its not like these things never happend before. For example DC and Hakkinnen also crashed each other out of the race a couple of times and what to think of Senna who in that one race where he had to start on the dirty side of the track from pole said even before the race that if he didnt come out of the first corner in first place, nobody would come out of it. And that is when he and Prost crashed.
Good race, but I am concerned about Ferrari. Alonso was sliding all over the place; they need to fix that car.
Webber was lucky not to be taken out by Vettel after they came together. It was Vettel's fault, he turned in at Webber while Webber was going straight.
Hamilton did not look very happy after winning the race, I suspect he's angry that the team let Button attack him after he was told both of them was saving fuel. You didn't see Hamilton pumping his fist in the air when he crossed the line, he didn't celebrate when he got out of the car and he was very subdued on the top step of the podium.
Webber was lucky not to be taken out by Vettel after they came together. It was Vettel's fault, he turned in at Webber while Webber was going straight.
Hamilton did not look very happy after winning the race, I suspect he's angry that the team let Button attack him after he was told both of them was saving fuel. You didn't see Hamilton pumping his fist in the air when he crossed the line, he didn't celebrate when he got out of the car and he was very subdued on the top step of the podium.
Vettel was going to pass Webber anyway, the straight has quite a way to go, then he pulled that stupid move. I think he was trying to do the scare tactic move of some sort, like Schumacher attempted to Hamilton when he was passed, but Vettel made contact. Vettel only got himself to blame.
Hamilton-Button was fun, too bad team-order came in. Save fuel, that's a good one. Mercedes needs to improve their car, Webber crashed, pit and was still comfortably in front of them. Ferrari performed poorly.
Hamilton-Button was fun, too bad team-order came in. Save fuel, that's a good one. Mercedes needs to improve their car, Webber crashed, pit and was still comfortably in front of them. Ferrari performed poorly.
Very dissapointed in Vettel. Guess it just goes to show his immaturity (in the spot.)
If it had been a driver from a different team, would there have been a challenge or something Webber could try and lodge?
A few reports saying that Webber was told to go to an fuel-saving engine mode, and he then suggested that maybe Vettel did not? Is "Fuel saving" engine mode the new "let the other driver in the team stay ahead"?
Good race all up, thought Webbers post race comments (int the official press conference at least) were pretty sedate calm given how screwed he got.
If it had been a driver from a different team, would there have been a challenge or something Webber could try and lodge?
A few reports saying that Webber was told to go to an fuel-saving engine mode, and he then suggested that maybe Vettel did not? Is "Fuel saving" engine mode the new "let the other driver in the team stay ahead"?
Good race all up, thought Webbers post race comments (int the official press conference at least) were pretty sedate calm given how screwed he got.
How many times now have Vettel (and Webber) crashed when trying to overtake?
Anyway, here are Joe Saward's thoughts on the incident
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/intrigue-at-red-bull-racing/
Anyway, here are Joe Saward's thoughts on the incident
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/intrigue-at-red-bull-racing/
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I interpreted the fuel warnings from the pit as "All right, we've got a 1-2 finish in the bag, cruise to the end". Ie. a team order in disguise. I think Hamilton got mad because Button pushed to overtake, then fought back.
Twenty seconds after the overtaking, the McLaren pit was on the radio telling Button that "fuel is critical", which I interpreted as "If you do that again, you'll be driving a mario kart next race".
Button was frustrated because he had nutured his tires early in the race, and would have had the faster car towards the end of the race.
Best F1 race for years,
Cheers
chavvdarrr
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Or, he was not happy because understands Button's tyres were better near the end, and he would've overtaken him if not for team orders?
The moment when Button slowed down was clearly visible... and it was not when we heard it, but earlier. And Hamilton literally pushed him out of the track.
tongue_of_colicab
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Well, if you look at it from a WDC point of view Webber got out of it better now than if they would have finished 1 - 2. He has less points, but Vettel got no points at all so he's actually leading by more than when they would have finished.
Plus I doubt the team will be very happy with what Vettel did so in the end it might all go Webber's way because of this.
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