Formula 1 - 2010 Season

[Tahir2]

Lotus were very impressive for their first race. Well done to them.

 

[wishiknew]

But back in those simple days, they had bigger rear wing and was tilted toward slipstream than spoiling wake. If you can't reduce turbulence, then go the opposite way.

Actually I like indycar's overtake button rather than just 7seconds a lap kers alone.

Yea Lotus did good. The last team to get confirmation does the best while the first team to state wanting entry isn't even here.

 

[wishiknew]

I forgot the ground effects when cars use to spark instead of having wood under them and wide tires that even punch holes thru the air.

 

[MfA]

There is only 1 way to make overtaking happen and that is to reduce the aerodynamic influance.

Not necessarily, they could allow real-time adjustable aerodynamics and enforce downforce limits in the ECU (ie. go over the limits and the engine cuts back).

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Not necessarily, they could allow real-time adjustable aerodynamics and enforce downforce limits in the ECU (ie. go over the limits and the engine cuts back).

Seems like a rather complicated solution with lots of work arounds to still try and cause as much turbulance as you can while if you just force rules that allow for the ''simple'' aero of the old cars than you solve like 3 problems at once. You solve the no overtaking. You solve the enormous spending in de aero department. You solve having to spend a ton of cash on solutions like adjustable aerodynamics.

I dont see why you would want to go the route of really complicated solutions. They are just bound to cause more problems while we got a solution we know works because it worked in the past in F1 and works in other formulas at this moment.

I dont like the idea of push to pass. Its real racing, not mariokart with mushrooms.

 

[Bludd]

Ah, the return of Adrian Newey's Brittle Innovations. The Red Bull has this tightly packaged exhaust system pumping air out the back of the gearbox. It broke. Bad luck for Vettel.

My hero Alonso, well what can you say? TOMA!!!

 

[V3]

That overtaking team that the F1 created, have really screwed up. With all the rules changes I expected those cars to be tailing each other, but they can't because, heat and turbulence. They haven't manage to change anything.

Congrats to Alonso and Ferrari. Massa did good but Alonso got the better start. Hamilton did a good job too. Too bad for Vettel but he hung in there. Nico and Michael did well too but the Mercedes don’t have the pace to keep up with Ferrari on this track. Button and Webber need to up their game. But it's early and the top four teams are similar in speed so I am guessing this season will become more interesting than this race.

 

[Bludd]

That overtaking team that the F1 created, have really screwed up. With all the rules changes I expected those cars to be tailing each other, but they can't because, heat and turbulence. They haven't manage to change anything.

It's mostly the double diffusers. They are banned for next year so maybe we can judge the overtaking working group then.

I am so happy for Mike Gascoyne and Lotus. The newest team, least time, most successful this race. They are going to make great strides. Congrats guys!

 

[MfA]

Seems like a rather complicated solution with lots of work arounds to still try and cause as much turbulance as you can

If their aerodynamics can compensate and still get to the limit all you would be doing by creating turbulence is slowing yourself down.

 

[wishiknew]

Did we really have better racing last year with single diffuser 7 group for the first couple of races?

And besides the type of downforce produced by diffusers is less susceptible to turbulence generated by following a car. That kinda counts as reducing dependance on aero generated downforce in a weird sort of way. Who's to say we won't find out next year that double diffusers had actually produced better closer racing.

I can understand Mclaren not being out in front as they spent a lot of time fixing the 2009 car but Brawn was one of the first to switch focus to 2010.

 

[Bludd]

Did we really have better racing last year with single diffuser 7 group for the first couple of races?

And besides the type of downforce produced by diffusers is less susceptible to turbulence generated by following a car. That kinda counts as reducing dependance on aero generated downforce in a weird sort of way. Who's to say we won't find out next year that double diffusers had actually produced better closer racing.

I can understand Mclaren not being out in front as they spent a lot of time fixing the 2009 car but Brawn was one of the first to switch focus to 2010.

No, Brawn had to fight for the championship. Renault and Ferrari switched early. So did Sauber.

 

[Bludd]

Apparently, Vettel's car had a spark plug problem, which was why he lost the race.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Not sure about that. During the race they said that one of the exhausts broke.

 

[DJ12]

Hamilton said he (Vettel) wasn't running on all 8 cylinders after the race, so while they may have thought it was the exhaust during the race it actually was a spark plug problem.

 

[Bludd]

Apparently, Vettel's car had a spark plug problem, which was why he lost the race.

It has been confirmed

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82153

Last year Red Bull had problems with the installation of the Renault engine in Vettel's car, but at those occasions, the engine actually broke.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Strange the team didnt know that. I dont know exactly what they can see from engine sensors but you'd think that failing cylinders is rather high on the ''want to see'' list.

I wonder who's fault the engine problems are. Renault didnt had much last year if I remember right. Maybe RBR is running it very tight when it comes to things like cooling? Maybe being very close or over the limit of what Renault designed their engine for.

 

[Bludd]

Red Bull have Renault engineers in their team. Fabrice Lom is the main Renault guy at Red Bull.

 

[Tahir2]

“None of the facts in the last 30 years support the theory that grippy tyres and low downforce promote overtaking. If reducing downforce was the answer, then 1983 would have shown it, since we lost 80% of the aero efficiency in the 1983 rules, ” he says. “But there was no more overtaking than in 1982.
“Here’s the proof – if downforce prevented overtaking, historically the races with the fewest overtaking manoeuvres would have been the wet races, where maximum downforce settings are used… Why anybody still thinks a reduction in downforce is the solution when faced with the facts has been a consistent mystery and frustration to me.
“Too much difference in grip between on and off line is a major factor, caused by sticky tyres (lots of mechanical grip)
“Braking distances into slow corners are far too short, caused by sticky tyres (too much mechanical grip)."

Read the rest at J.A on F1

 

[Bludd]

Very interesting, thanks Tahir.

 

[Kaotik]

“Here’s the proof – if downforce prevented overtaking, historically the races with the fewest overtaking manoeuvres would have been the wet races, where maximum downforce settings are used… Why anybody still thinks a reduction in downforce is the solution when faced with the facts has been a consistent mystery and frustration to me.

That's probable the most ridicilous "proof" I've ever read, the most overtakes in rain happen because the drivers make exponentially more mistakes in rain compared to dry, not because of the extra downforce