Formula 1 - 2009 Season

Weights are in btw
1. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 653.5kg
2. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 655
3. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 662
4. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 683
5. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 688.5
6. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 687
7. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 679.5
8. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 677.5
9. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 682
10. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 683
11. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 703
12. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 699.8
13. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 697.5
14. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 690
15. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 697.5
16. Timo Glock, Toyota, 709.8
17. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 706.2
18. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 708.6
19. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 706
20. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 706

Lewis and Sutil really light, Räikkönen somewhere between and Heikki did astonishing lap, since his fuel load allows 1 stop tactic
 
Ahh ok. And what would be the worst? (since in the meantime I care less and less about F1 on daily basis)
Exclusion from the sport, people banned, Alonso not driving, Renault pulling out.
 
How rubbish was Kovalainen though? From one of the race favourites to finishing a whole minute behind Barrichello.
 
How rubbish was Kovalainen though? From one of the race favourites to finishing a whole minute behind Barrichello.

It's strange indeed, at the few last laps his car worked fine, lapping same times as the lead, but earlier it just didn't go anywhere
 
How rubbish was Kovalainen though? From one of the race favourites to finishing a whole minute behind Barrichello.

He was only race favourite because there are so many people that actually believe that those fuel adjusted grid numbers mean anything while they dont. All they say is where a driver could, potentially, be if he was on the same fuel load. They dont keep things like car handling because of more fuel, traffic, tyre wear etc in mind.
 
He was only race favourite because there are so many people that actually believe that those fuel adjusted grid numbers mean anything while they dont. All they say is where a driver could, potentially, be if he was on the same fuel load. They dont keep things like car handling because of more fuel, traffic, tyre wear etc in mind.
Yes, it really looks that with higher fuel load McLarens simply don't work well.

And Hamilton seems to be the man making most fun in last lap :D
 
Kovalainen is not a genuine racer. This is starting to become annoying. I think he'll be dropped by McLaren unless he does something incredible in the next few races.

Sutil drove well, Kimi was once again saved by KERS. Liuzzi was doing great too, too bad about the mechanical problem. It was a good race, I think. Alonso got some points, there were some good racing and overtakes, Hamilton pushed so damn hard he flew into the barriers.

What has happened to Red Bull? This is embarrassing. Vettel got 1 point, not nearly enough.

Rubinho is on a roll, watch out Jens.
 
I think there is something that doesn't agree with the cars at Monza, Hamilton had wheel spin out of nowhere which caused his crash, and there was numerous other cars that where spinning wheels every time the inboard camera was with them.

Good to see that Hamilton wasn't settling for 3rd, wish more drivers gave as much a crap as him, maybe then the last 10 laps of every race wouldn't be boring as hell.
 
The Toyotas had a nice ding-dong, though. Trulli was doing some great off-road sliding.
 
McLaren have 2 drivers at different ends of the spectrum, one who is banzai and sometimes leaves the track and 1 who plods around. I'm sure McLaren would tend to favour the speedier driver. It makes it worse for Kova that Hamilton is so the other way.

By the way, didn't that car step out so qucikly? As soon as the car is not pointing the right way the aero goes to pot, the downforce goes and then it is over in a flash.

Good race for Sutil, got clobbered by KERS at the start. Kimi had another good race, he is making it hard for them to just dump him. Of course it's hard to tell what Massa would be doing right now in the same car to compare him with.

I'd say the WDC is now between Button and Rubens with Button having done enough yesterday to make him firm favourite. I can't say I'd be delighted to see him win it, nor unhappy - it would be just one of those things. I'm more happy for Brawn if they win the WCC.
 
Nelson crash 2008

This article I found linked on Pistonheads may be interesting to some, as it contains some transcripts and telemetry data from the nelson 2008 crash - posted for convinience:

article said:
telemetry.gif


Next up was Symonds, and as the partial transcript in the stewards report showed, he proved notably shy in critical areas:

FIA adviser: (With respect to the Singapore meeting involving Briatore, Symonds and Piquet) In your own words, Mr. Symonds, what do you recall being said to Nelson Piquet Jr. at that meeting? This is shortly before the race.
Symonds: I don’t really remember
FIA adviser: You don’t remember?
Symonds: No
FIA adviser: Nelson Piquet Jr. says that he was asked by you to cause a deliberate crash. Is that true?
Symonds: Nelson had spoken to me the day before and suggested that. That’s all I’d really like to say.
FIA adviser: Mr. Symonds, were you aware that there was going to be a crash at Lap 14?
Symonds: I don’t want to answer that question.

Later, there was this exchange.

FIA adviser: There is just one thing that I ought to ask you, and put it to you so you can think about it, at least. Mr. Piquet Jr. says that having had the initial meeting with you and Flavio Briatore, you then met with him individually with the map of the circuit. Do you remember that?
Symonds: I won’t answer. Rather not answer that. I don’t recall it, but it sounds like Nelson’s talked a lot more about it.
FIA adviser: Mr. Piquet Jr. also says that at that meeting, you pointed out a specific place on the circuit where he was to have the accident and said it was because it was the furthest away from any of the safety or lifting equipment, and gave the most likely chance of a safety car being deployed.
Symonds: I don’t...I don’t want to answer that question.

Still later, the questioning of Symonds concluded with the FIA adviser asking whether Symonds or Briatore had done most of the talking during the meeting involving them and Piquet.

FIA adviser: Because, just to be absolutely clear here, what Nelson Piquet Jr. has said is that at that meeting it was you that asked him to have the crash deliberately.
Symonds: I can’t answer you.
FIA adviser: Can I say that if, Mr. Symonds, you’d been put in the position where you were made to ask Mr. Piquet Jr. to crash, it’s much better. It would be much better for you in the long term to tell these stewards, to hear that today.
Symonds: I fully understand that.
FIA adviser: Yes.
Symonds: I have no intention of lying to you. I have not lied to you, but I have reserved my position just a little.
FIA adviser: And you’re aware that the stewards may draw conclusions from your unwillingness to assist them in relation to what went on in that meeting?
Symonds: I would expect them to. I would absolutely expect that.
FIA adviser: I think I haven’t got any further questions.
Symonds was also questioned about the telemetry
printout from Alonso’s wheelspin incident and from
Piquet’s car, copies of which was shown to him.
FIA adviser: I think you’ll anticipate what I’m going to ask you here.
Symonds: I think I will.
FIA adviser: There’s quite.... There’s a more significant wheelspin recorded here (in Piquet’s traces than Alonso had experienced earlier in the race). You’ll see what has been marked by the (FIA) technical department as a rapid increase in throttle pedal (application).
Symonds: Mmm hmm.
FIA adviser: There, is on the throttle. There’s a slight releasing of the throttle as the wheels start to spin, but when the (wheel)spin is at its greatest, there appears to be a reapplication of the throttle at almost 100 percent.
Symonds: Yes.
FIA adviser: I put it to you, Mr. Symonds, that that’s a very unusual piece of telemetry that would suggest that this may have been a deliberate crash.
Symonds: I would agree it’s unusual.
FIA adviser: Would it suggest to you a deliberate crash?
Symonds: I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a deliberate crash, so I.... It’s very unusual data.
FIA adviser: Counter-intuitive for a driver to put his foot full on the throttle when he’s in a deep (wheel)spin like that, Mr. Symonds?
Symonds: It is. yes, when he has that much wheelspin, it’s counter-intuitive.

Largely on the basis of Symonds’ failure to answer key questions, the stewards concluded that the meeting in Briatore’s office took place, that a deliberate crash was discussed, and that afterward, Symonds had indicated to Piquet where to have his ‘accident’ in order to ensure that the safety car would be deployed. The stewards noted in their report that, “had there been no substance to the allegations made by (Piquet) and put to Mr. Symonds, it would have been straightforward for Mr. Symonds to deny them.”

When interviewed on the 27th, Symonds said he might have additional information for the stewards subsequently, including responses to the questions he’d declined to answer. Called in again the follow day, however, he again declined to answer the questions. He did add that Alonso had been pitted earlier than planned to avoid him losing time behind Kazuki Nakajima’s Williams.
 
I think there is something that doesn't agree with the cars at Monza, Hamilton had wheel spin out of nowhere which caused his crash, and there was numerous other cars that where spinning wheels every time the inboard camera was with them.

Good to see that Hamilton wasn't settling for 3rd, wish more drivers gave as much a crap as him, maybe then the last 10 laps of every race wouldn't be boring as hell.

While I agree to some extent with the pushing, his crash was pure idiocy (is that even a word?), there was no way he could have catch Button and then pass him during the last lap anymore, unless Button had made a mistake in which point it wouldn't matter if you're 0.5 or 1.5 sec behind him.

Due him, McLaren is now 15 points, not 8 points behind Ferrari
 
While I agree to some extent with the pushing, his crash was pure idiocy (is that even a word?), there was no way he could have catch Button and then pass him during the last lap anymore, unless Button had made a mistake in which point it wouldn't matter if you're 0.5 or 1.5 sec behind him.

Due him, McLaren is now 15 points, not 8 points behind Ferrari
Due to Kovalainen being slow and nice and not fast and aggressive, they threw away their best chance to win the race.
 
Due to Kovalainen being slow and nice and not fast and aggressive, they threw away their best chance to win the race.

Did they? No-one knows how Hamilton would have done on the same setup, he could have done great, or he could have been just as bad as Heikki was.
To me, it seemed that McLaren + Heavy fuel + Harder tyres simply don't work (or didn't work in Monza anyway), that's where Heikki lost his places etc, the latter half wasn't bad even if not too great either, and in the end he drove same laps as the lead did.
 
While I agree to some extent with the pushing, his crash was pure idiocy (is that even a word?), there was no way he could have catch Button and then pass him during the last lap anymore, unless Button had made a mistake in which point it wouldn't matter if you're 0.5 or 1.5 sec behind him.

Unless ofcourse, he wanted to put the pressure on Button and hope to force a mistake from him.
 
Unless ofcourse, he wanted to put the pressure on Button and hope to force a mistake from him.

Even with that, 1 lap is a short time and even with fastest 1st sector time he only gained 0.1-0.2sec or something along those lines, and was still 0.7-0.8sec behind
 
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