Formula 1 - 2008 Season

1) Hammy changed directions in defense too many times there at the end (this is apparently under investigation, Hammy will at least get a fine)
2) WTF, Heidfeld 3rd?
3) Kimi messed up. Surely he'll have to support Massa now.
4) Kovy's day was mixed, he went fast, overdid it, went fast again and overdid it again. He may have just retired to get a new engine for Monza, though.
5) WTF, Heidfeld 3rd? BAH
 
1) Hammy changed directions in defense too many times there at the end (this is apparently under investigation, Hammy will at least get a fine)

I don't know much about F1 rules. Can you please elaborate on changed directions in defense thing.
 
Hamilton takes victory in Spa thriller

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton extended his lead at the top of the championship race with a dramatic late victory at the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa.

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton extended his lead at the top of the championship race with a dramatic late victory at the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa.

Felipe Massa, Hamilton's nearest title rival, crossed the line in second place after Kimi Raikkonen, who had led the race from the beginning of the second lap, span out on the final lap after rain stared falling towards the end of the race.

BMW's Nick Heidfeld secured third place ahead of Fernando Alonso in fourth.

Belgian GP - *The Race (44 Laps)

Code:
Race live standing
P. Driver Team Time 
1 Lewis Hamilton		McLaren   
2 Felipe Massa			Ferrari   
3 Nick Heidfeld			BMW   
4 Fernando Alonso		Renault   
5 Robert Kubica			BMW   
6 Sebastian Vettel		Toro Rosso   
7 Sebastien Bourdais		Toro Rosso   
9 Heikki Kovalainen		McLaren   
10 Timo Glock			Toyota   
11 Mark Webber			Red Bull   
12 Nico Rosberg			Williams   
13 Jenson Button		Honda   
14 Kazuki Nakajima		Williams   
15 David Coulthard		Red Bull   
16 Adrian Sutil			Force India   
17 Giancarlo Fisichella		Force India   
18 Kimi Räikkönen		Ferrari		out  
19 Rubens Barrichello		Honda		out  
20 Nelson Piquet		Renault		out
 
Kubica I thought finished 6th. At least he overtakes Raikkonen.
And I assume Hamilton did gain an advantage by cutting corner before la source probably at least a fine if not 5 place penalty which would be too harsh.
 
I don't know much about F1 rules. Can you please elaborate on changed directions in defense thing.


I am only assuming it is the incident they are referring to, but they may also refer to the way Hammy overtook Kimi.

Anyway, you can only change direction once when you defend your position, or you may be charged of blocking unfairly.
 
I am only assuming it is the incident they are referring to, but they may also refer to the way Hammy overtook Kimi.

Anyway, you can only change direction once when you defend your position, or you may be charged of blocking unfairly.

Yep, you're only allowed to change your racing line once in defense.
My first suspect on the reason for the investigation, however, would be how he originally passed Kimi by going through the chicane - while he indeed let Kimi pass him again like he should, Hamilton never normalized the situation by going really behind him like you're supposed to, instead he just let kimi slightly in front and continued straight like nothing happened without ever going behind him, just really being on the side.
 
Yeah, you may be right, Kaotik. He just stayed up Kimi's gearbox and took him right afterwards.
 
Hamilton victorious in thrilling Belgian GP

McLaren-Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton staked his claim to the 2008 Formula 1 Drivers' World Championship crown with a stunning performance to triumph in the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps, as defending title-winner Kimi Raikkonen crashes his hopes away.

Lewis Hamilton laid out his Formula 1 World Championship credentials in the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps today, by mastering truly treacherous conditions in the closing laps to secure one of the greatest victories of his fledgling career in the top flight - as Kimi Raikkonen assuredly kissed his title hopes goodbye.

With the track surface wet but the sun trying to break through the clouds in the Ardennes region an hour ahead of the start, memories of the 1998 first lap pile-up still fresh in everyone's memories, Ferrari having struggled in the rain at Silverstone and in practice this weekend and both Hamilton and Felipe Massa encountering problems on the way around to the grid, a thrilling race was forecast. The fans would not be disappointed.

As the entire field - with the exception of Jarno Trulli - took things very gingerly at the start, pole-sitter Hamilton held onto his advantage when the lights went out, but behind him all chaos let loose.

Ttrulli was the biggest mover, vaulting through the field like a rocket from his eleventh grid spot, and was into fifth position by the first corner until he got a hefty whack from behind from Sebastien Bourdais, sending the Toyota slightly wide and the pursuing drivers scattering in all directions. Heikki Kovalainen was arguably the biggest loser, dropping back ten places to 13th as he ran wide through La Source.

Further around the opening lap, however, all eyes were on the Ferrari pair of Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen as the two scarlet machines ran literally side-by-side along the Kemmel Straight towards Les Coombes, with Raikkonen squeezing his team-mate out to move ahead into second place - and no doubt send out a warning to his employers that his 2008 title challenge is far from over yet.

Behind Massa, Fernando Alonso was another fast-starter up in fourth, with Trulli fifth, the impressive Bourdais sixth and Nelsinho Piquet - the only driver to take the start on intermediate tyres rather than slicks - seventh.

As Hamilton began to break away at the front with the seemingly reborn Raikkonen in hot pursuit, the next drama came when Trulli spun away his good start into the Bus-Stop chicane at the end of the opening tour - almost taking Williams' Nico Rosberg out into the bargain.

That, however, was of relatively little significance compared to Hamilton spinning away his lead at the beginning of lap two, as the following Raikkonen had to take avoiding action around the outside of La Source and kept his foot in all the way along the Kemmel Straight to seize P1 - giving the lie to his McLaren rival's pre-race assertion that he will never again allow himself to be overtaken around the outside.

As Giancarlo Fisichella pitted in his force India for a new front wing following the first corner fracas, David Coulthard ran wide in his battle with Rubens Barrichello - one that would run for the majority of the race, with attack and counter-attack as the two F1 veterans clearly enjoyed themselves out on the greatest drivers' circuit on the sport's calendar.

Up front, meanwhile, Hamilton was doing his damndest to relieve Raikkonen of his inherited lead - but could never get to closer than about eight tenths of a second of his quarry as he ran in the dirty air of the Finn's Ferrari - with Massa holding a watching brief in a slightly distant third and fourth-placed Alonso the quickest driver on the track, though losing out in the high-speed sections of the circuit.

Further back, Kovalainen was continuing to recover, moving past both Timo Glock and Nick Heidfeld into the top ten, whilst Trulli went boldly around the outside of Barrichello into 14th place. Following his bright start on the intermediate rubber, Piquet subsequently lost out to Mark Webber, Kovalainen - bravely all the way around the outside of the Renault rookie at the fearsomely-fast Blanchimont - and Sebastian Vettel.

As Raikkonen attempted to break Hamilton's spirit with a new fastest lap of the race, Massa fell ever-further away in third and Bourdais began to slip back into the clutches of Webber's Red Bull Racing, as Kovalainen - the third-quickest man on the track behind the two leaders - closed inexorably in on the three-way battle over fifth place, going all the way around the outside of Kubica on the run down to Les Coombes for sixth.

Adrian Sutil then shot across the grass and into the gravel trap on the opposite side of the track at the Fagnes chicane, as Hamilton responded to the gauntlet thrown down by Raikkonen by setting a new fastest lap of his own on lap ten, as he kept the pressure firmly on his Ferrari adversary.

Kovalainen's charge, though, would soon come unstuck as he made a clumsy half-hearted attempt to get past Webber into the Bus-Stop, seeing him spin the RBR around and earning himself a drive-through penalty for his troubles into the bargain. That error allowed Kubica back past the McLaren again, and Heidfeld past Webber, and as Hamilton and Massa pitted together at the end of lap eleven, the former rejoined critically mid-traffic - and right behind his team-mate.

Fortunately for the Woking-based outfit, Raikkonen too was in earlier than expected next time around, and though the reigning world champion's stop was three tenths of a second slower than that of Hamilton, with the Briton still tucked up behind Kubica and Kovalainen - and if anything being backed inadvertently towards Massa - his lead was not just comfortably maintained, but even extended to almost a full six seconds.

Massa's subsequent stop at the end of lap 13 promoted Q1 star Bourdais up into second place for STR, as the rejuvenated Frenchman continued to duel it out with Kubica behind, and Piquet becamse the race's first retiree as he spun his Renault into the crash barriers after changing over to dry tyres at his first pit-stop.

Kovalainen rejoined all the way down in 14th spot following his drive-through, ironically right behind the second Red Bull of Coulthard, no doubt giving the Milton Keynes-based squad cause for concern that history may just repeat itself. The Finn was taking no such chances second time around, however, as Vettel brought himself into play with a long first stint that saw the STR ace run as high as fourth before feeding out into an all-German scrap over seventh place between the one-stopping Glock and Heidfeld.

Fellow German Rosberg was also running well up in the top ten following Williams' qualifying woes [see separate story - click here], as Heidfeld went all the way around the outside of Toyota rival Glock for P8 and the final points-scoring position.

Hamilton was now pulling away from the chasing Massa but still unable to close the gap on the sister F2008 of Raikkonen in the lead, whilst Barrichello became retirement number two when he parked his Honda after a loss of sixth gear led to an over-revving engine.

As the two STRs and two BMWs disputed fifth to eighth places - with just over four seconds blanketing the evenly-matched quartet - Raikkonen was the first man to blink when the second round of pit-stops began at the end of lap 25, with Hamilton following the Finn into the pit-lane and gaining some time with a quicker stop as the harder tyres he favours were bolted onto his MP4-23.

With 19 laps remaining and rain predicted before the end of the grand prix, Hamilton began to whittle down the gap separating him from the long-time race leader, taking seven tenths away from Raikkonen in the middle sector of his 'out' lap alone and another eight tenths next time around, reducing the Finn's advantage to just 2.5 seconds with 15 laps left to run, and Massa - four seconds further in arrears but devastatingly quick through the first split - not to be counted out of the victory equation either.

A strong middle stint from Bourdais - pulling out some three seconds over the pursuing Kubica - allied to a slow second stop for the Pole enabled not only the record-breaking four-time Champ Car king to preserve his fifth place, but also let both Vettel and Heidfeld past into sixth and seventh positions respectively, dropping the second BMW to eighth, with Kovalainen just outside the points in ninth, 4.3 seconds in arrears.

With seven laps left to run and rain beginning to spit, Raikkonen led Hamilton by 1.6 seconds, with Massa a mere 3.2 seconds behind the Briton - and the tension increasingly mounting.

With five laps remaining until the chequered flag and the track becoming increasingly tricky, Hamilton had the hammer down and closed the deficit to less than nine tenths of a second as the Ferrari and McLaren started to run nose-to-tail, but once he got into the dirty air - and began to make mistakes - the gap opened up again, to two seconds as the leaders crossed the line for the 41st time.

With the rain now falling more heavily, Hamilton again seemed to have more confidence of the two men up front, as he closed down on his quarry once more, and going into the Bus-Stop chicane he closed inexorably in and tried to make his move around the outside.

Though that failed to succeed - the pair very nearly touching as Hamilton ran out of room and had to take to the grass and subsequently surrender the place again - the British star's advantage was such that he dived up the inside into La Source just a matter of moments later, as this time he made it stick, though Raikkonen continued to dart about in the McLaren's slipstream all the way up to Les Coombes.

Indeed, the scrap brought back memories of Michael Schumacher's inspired move in similar circumstances in the dying stages of the 1995 European Grand Prix at the Nurburgring, and there was further excitement when Hamilton came across Rosberg's wayward Williams into Fagnes, having to take avoiding action across the grass as Raikkonen got back past again - and immediately spun the lead back into the McLaren star's hands in the very next corner.

With Massa catching the pair of them and the race looking likely to go anyone's way, Alonso, Heidfeld and Glock all took a punt on pitting for intermediate tyres - a gamble that would pay off richly - with eight miles remaining and the track becoming increasingly treacherous.

Coming around to complete the penultimate tour, though, Hamilton twitched going through Pouhon and then Raikkonen lost control of his Ferrari heading towards Fagnes, catastrophically spinning his Ferrari into the wall, leaving the Finn to trudge disconsolately back to his pit garage and doubtless admit - in the immortal words of the late Enzo Ferrari - admitting 'addio mondiale' (goodbye championship).

That left Hamilton leading from Massa, as both continued onto the last lap barely tip-toeing around, and lapping a full half a minute slower than they had been doing earlier on in the race, but once more Hamilton and McLaren seemed to be handling the situation better, as the Briton mastered the tricky conditions to retain his advantage - though he caused the McLaren pit wall a brief scare when he ran wide into the Bus-Stop for the final time - and come home almost 15 seconds to the good after a race of epic proportions.

Behind Massa, Heidfeld stole the final spot on the podium after charging around the circuit on his intermediate rubber, going all the way around the outside of BMW team-mate Kubica on his way to P3 - and his fourth rostrum finish of the campaign at a crucial time for his 2009 contract talks with the Munich and Hinwil-based outfit.

A similarly intermediate-shod Alonso overtook two cars in the very final corner to come home fourth, ahead of Vettel and Kubica, with Bourdais falling back from third place to seventh on the very last lap, the distraught Frenchman like in Melbourne losing a whole handful of points in the very dying moments.

With Kovalainen pulling off the circuit on the final tour, Glock took the final point, as Webber, the stationary Kovalainen, Coulthard, Rosberg, Sutil, Kazuki Nakajima, Jenson Button, Trulli and Fisichella completed the finishers at the end of one of the most extraordinary grands prix of recent times.

News Source: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07092008/23/hamilton-victorious-thrilling-belgian-gp.html

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I don't see anything about Lewis getting a penalty or fine etc.
 
Oh wait!

Stewards to probe Hamilton, Raikkonen clash

The Belgian Grand Prix stewards cast doubt over the result of the race after announcing an incident between Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen was under investigation.

Hamilton won the thrilling race after passing Raikkonen when it began to rain heavily with three laps to go.

Before that, however, the duo made contact several times while the McLaren driver tried to pass the Ferrari and vice versa. Hamilton jumped the Bus Stop chicane before passing Raikkonen at La Source.

Hamilton went on to take his fifth win of the season while Raikkonen crashed against the wall and retired.

The stewards said after the race that the incident between the drivers was under investigation.

News Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70381
 
Welcome to the party, Unknown Soldier. Do you actually read the thread or do you just post links? :D
 
Yeah the overtaking of Hammie was a little bit strange. He basically cut the whole corner to end up infront of Kimi but he only let Kimi pass by a very little margin on the straight which obvious is a advantage as you can slipstream right away again. However I dont think there should be a too big of a deal out of it because Kimi wasnt exactly what you would call fast near the end and he screwed up himself near the end.
 
Very bitter ending for us Finns, but atleast the race was an epic thriller. I think they should drive more races in circuits like Spa and less in uber boring tracks like Monaco, Hungaroring and the last Spanish GP.
 
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Welcome to the party, Unknown Soldier. Do you actually read the thread or do you just post links? :D

Well I hadn't noticed anything wrong when I saw the race so it was a suprise when you mentioned it. I had a look on the net(yahoo) and didn't see anything there regarding your comments and only found it when I looked at Autosport.

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I have to say, that's a rediculous decision. Hamilton allow Kimi back in front - not just by a nose but tucked behind him and as kimi weaved around to protect the line (against regs ?) he went past again.
 
I have to say, that's a rediculous decision. Hamilton allow Kimi back in front - not just by a nose but tucked behind him and as kimi weaved around to protect the line (against regs ?) he went past again.

There's a possibility that either kimi lost traction or hamilton hit him slightly on the straight, the way kimi's car went suddenly side to side is not normal and not a way to "block overtaking"
And Hamilton, while did let Kimi back in front, didn't "normalize the situation" by going really behind Kimi like he should have
 
considering how much they've favored and done things for hamilton, only suits him right to give some penalties to him too

My point isn't that this is directed in favour of or against Hamilton, or any other driver. My point is that through all the various silly technical rules, and these sorts of post-final-whistle results changes one really has to question whether there's not some sort of high-level gaming of the F1 season going on. The whole thing seems to be geared towards engineering a 2-, 3- or 4-way battle for the title at the end of the season, because that's more "exciting" and it's what brings in the punters and the money.
 
There's a possibility that either kimi lost traction or hamilton hit him slightly on the straight, the way kimi's car went suddenly side to side is not normal and not a way to "block overtaking"
And Hamilton, while did let Kimi back in front, didn't "normalize the situation" by going really behind Kimi like he should have

There's no contact - and what do you mean by Hamilton not going really behind Raikkonen?

100% corrupt IMO, no less.

Cheers
 
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