Formula 1 - 2008 Season
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Depends how close to "perfection" the old design was.
Not very I'd say.
On the tracks they were good at McLaren were still pretty close, but the tracks McLaren were good at, there was a massive difference.
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The nose is different, hole in it is larger, nose is slightly longer(or at least seems to protude out further, scoop is slightly bigger. There's a winglet on either side of the nose just beind the nose wing.
The side air intakes are different(shape) and the winglet(front) is larger and has a cut in it, the middle winglet looks the same and the rear(wheel) is slightly different too.
The cockpit side protection is different(higher)
The air intake on top protudes out further and looks slightly smaller and runs longer further towards the back of the car.
The rear wing seems curvier too.
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The side air intakes are different(shape) and the winglet(front) is larger and has a cut in it, the middle winglet looks the same and the rear(wheel) is slightly different too.
The cockpit side protection is different(higher)
The air intake on top protudes out further and looks slightly smaller and runs longer further towards the back of the car.
The rear wing seems curvier too.
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Now the top of the cars shows a completely different picture:
Top 2007
Bottom 2008
The Nose length definitely looks the same size as last years cars .. but the scoop seems to integrate it. The straight boards(2) have been removed and you can see the winglets on the nose. The suspension looks the same from this view and looks like nothing has changed.
The winglets by the air intakes in the middle look different and nose doesn't flow into the body like last years car although the middle winglets do flow better from the new car opposed to the older. The front larger winglets clearly do look different.
The top air intake does look smaller.
The wheelbase doesn't look any different compared to last years car. At least it doesn't seem to me.
The rear suspension definitely looks different as do the exhaust and exhaust outlets. The rear wing seems like it's brought in (5cm or more) compared to last years car.
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Nose - See how different it looks.
2008 pictured and 2007 linked.
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Top 2007
Bottom 2008
The Nose length definitely looks the same size as last years cars .. but the scoop seems to integrate it. The straight boards(2) have been removed and you can see the winglets on the nose. The suspension looks the same from this view and looks like nothing has changed.
The winglets by the air intakes in the middle look different and nose doesn't flow into the body like last years car although the middle winglets do flow better from the new car opposed to the older. The front larger winglets clearly do look different.
The top air intake does look smaller.
The wheelbase doesn't look any different compared to last years car. At least it doesn't seem to me.
The rear suspension definitely looks different as do the exhaust and exhaust outlets. The rear wing seems like it's brought in (5cm or more) compared to last years car.
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Nose - See how different it looks.
2008 pictured and 2007 linked.
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Well Ferrari have indicated they will not be showing the final aero package until the first race so that may be to see what McLaren are using first and whether it looks like what their final 2008 initial package looks like, else they are just being more secretive this year.
It sounds a bit cat and mouse though, once bitten twice shy and all that.
It sounds a bit cat and mouse though, once bitten twice shy and all that.
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pocketmoon66
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They can't, I know for a fact they are using a McLaren designed ECU in their 2008 car ..
Indeed, from BBC sports news:
"The SECU (Standard Electronic Control Unit) produced by McLaren Electronic Systems is a major development for the new season, which starts on 16 March 16 in Melbourne.
"We would have preferred that the single control unit for all F1 teams was built by another company, but we must accept that McLaren with Microsoft put forward the most economic proposal," said Todt. "
How far into the 1st race do you think we'll see the first retirement due to BSOD
Indeed, from BBC sports news:
"The SECU (Standard Electronic Control Unit) produced by McLaren Electronic Systems is a major development for the new season, which starts on 16 March 16 in Melbourne.
"We would have preferred that the single control unit for all F1 teams was built by another company, but we must accept that McLaren with Microsoft put forward the most economic proposal," said Todt. "
How far into the 1st race do you think we'll see the first retirement due to BSOD
It seems pretty obvious to me that there will be no shortage of problems with the cars crapping out mid-race, failing to start and just not working properly until around half way through the season when SECU SP1 is released.
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Just because Mclaren copied/spied stuff from Ferrari in the past and are not able to build as good car on their own, doesn't mean that Mclaren isn't qualified to atleast put 4 wheels into a car. Give them atleast some credit!
Its nothing to do with that. It just a simple fact that now they can get these cars out of the wind tunnel / CFD sims and actually run them on track there will inevitably be aero tweaks based on driver feedback and due to the 2 months of development time available before the start of the season.
This is the case in all seasons for the big guys (that can fast track their developments) and is little different from the aero evolution you see over the course of a season.
Edit: FYI - here is the actual quote from Ferrari, as you can see they are just talking about further development of the car:
McLaren stated similar at their launch today:
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Exactly and also trying to spot differences between the old 2007 model pictures and these new ones is kind of pointless when these cars look "very" different from race to race during the season depending on what kind of track they are racing on.
Interesting but I don't think so. It's very rarely that the the teams change the design radically from what they start the season with and if they do it's because they f*cked up like Williams "Walrus" nose of a few years back that they had to can. Tweaks yes, but not something looking a lot different unless they are sandbagging / being secretive.
Even when the wind tunnel tells lies and gives them poor performance the tweaks later during the season and testing don't make the cars look that much different. Look at Honda last year for instance.
Eh? Thats what they are flat out saying and thats what happens each year!
They were also making similar comments at last years launch:
As a curiousity, I don't know if it was a slip or is actually the case, but contrary to the official entry list Ron is saying that Hamilton will carry the last number in the field:
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Comparison of the McLaren 07 and 08
The nose looks very similar to last years car but the wing itself has got a has got a 'batman' like look compared the wave wing of last year. The nose wing has tiny winglets on the edge too.
The front suspension looks slightly bigger from the top(but it's narrower when viewed from the front).
The sidepod intake looks different with the pod curving inward at the centre. Last years intake didn't curve inwards. The sidepod winglet also looks slightly bigger than last years winglet curving aroud towards the front of the intake. The sidepods from the side looks interesting, it seems to stretch out(where it curves in). The winglets at the middle towards the back also seems different. The sidepod exhaust vents is slimmer but longer than last years car.
You can see the cockpit side protection is also higher.
The viking horns disappeared(although they disappeared during last year too).
The undercarridge looks curvy compared to last years pointy undercarridge.
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The nose looks very similar to last years car but the wing itself has got a has got a 'batman' like look compared the wave wing of last year. The nose wing has tiny winglets on the edge too.
The front suspension looks slightly bigger from the top(but it's narrower when viewed from the front).
The sidepod intake looks different with the pod curving inward at the centre. Last years intake didn't curve inwards. The sidepod winglet also looks slightly bigger than last years winglet curving aroud towards the front of the intake. The sidepods from the side looks interesting, it seems to stretch out(where it curves in). The winglets at the middle towards the back also seems different. The sidepod exhaust vents is slimmer but longer than last years car.
You can see the cockpit side protection is also higher.
The viking horns disappeared(although they disappeared during last year too).
The undercarridge looks curvy compared to last years pointy undercarridge.
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