Famitsu on next gen survey

[hovz]

seriously the average 18 year old kid could market a console better than nintendo. they have rly become quite a shell of their former selfs.

"seriously"

im sure anyone could come up with a better design and name than a purple box called the gamecube. they must rly not want their console to sell to come up with such a stupid name and ugly design for their system. they must have been smoking some good shit when they hadded that handle.

another example is zelda. damn near eveyr game wanted a realistic zelda, not a cartoonish cel shaded zelda with big square eyes. as a console maker its smart to give gamers what they want.

gamers want online, both competing systems offer it. why the hell would u buy a game ont he cube when its available with online play for a competeing system?

it goes on and on. so yes an average 18 year old could market gamecube better than the geniuses at nintendo.

i love when i read 1 of their conferences and they pronounce gamers want simpler games. lol always gives me a good laugh. nintendo cleary knows what its doing in the console business. they have sold a whopping 10 or so milion cubes in almost 5 years. amazing success story.

 

[andypski]

the quality and selection of games available. excluding pikmin, metroid, and zelda what has been released on gamecube that u cant get on other systems via a port or just a better game of the same category

That hardly seems to be a fault of the system. The fact that very high-quality games exist for the system is a reasonable indicator that the console itself is of a quality that is perfectly comparable to its competitors.

If in your original statement you were saying that Nintendo consoles weren't getting the same level of support as XBox and PS2 for whatever reasons, be it marketing or whatever, then that certainly seems reasonable.

But I believe that to claim that the system itself is really significantly inferior to XBox or PS2 is a much harder position to justify.

 

[hovz]

oh and cthellis reminds me of another point i wanted to mention. gamers WANT advanced graphics. they enhance the game. nintendo claims gamers dont care about graphics so they release game after game with mediocre graphics. when you see an add or a commercial for a game the graphics are the first thing the average consumer is going to notice.

 

[thop]

Someone is bitter, very. What triggered all that stuff?

 

[cthellis42]

 

[DeanoC]

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Cause everybody thinks exactly like you.

Everybody I know like Cel Shaded Zelda, loves the design of the cube and hate the design of XBox.

For me the cube is the outstanding console of this generation, unlike the N64 which I hated. Xbox is junk IMO (its the only one of my consolea not used regularly) and I hate online gaming.

So I'd say Nintendo ideas are just fine.

I even like the comedy aspect of EA street jam (not that I'm going to buy it...)

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Acert93]

nintendos systems are so much worse than the competiton

The NES was what brought the industry out of a big slump--it also was the top selling HW in its gen. The SNES was an excellent platform and technically was punc-for-punch as good as their competition (better in some areas, weaker in others)--it also was the top selling HW in its gen. The N64's only real weakness was Nintendo miscalculated consumer desire for CDs and how publishers jumped ship for the lower manufacturing costs which resulted in a smaller library of games compared to their competition. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great titles and sold like 30million consoles. The GameCube sold great in 2003. Nintendo has made some mistakes with the GameCube, BUT as a system it is not worse than the competition. Many of the IGN comparisons show the GC doing quite well compared to their competition. The GC has a smaller library but excellent games like SSB, Pikmin, Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, and so on.

GB, GB Advance, and DS have all been excellent designs and sold well (or started off well).

"nintendos systems are so much worse than the competiton" is an opinion, and the fact you have to mention it in every thread related to Nintendo is trolling. We get it already--you dislike Nintendo. I think everyone knows that now.

i dont consider them a choice.

Millions do and have. The fact the Famitsu article shows 40% of Japanese gamers are MORE interested in Revolution than the Xbox2 or PS3. They are only 14% behind PS3 in primary interest in Japan--that is really surprising. So while you do not consider them a choice a lot of people do.

on the bright side at least more developers could focus on the 2 systems people actually care about and produce better games.

Who are these "people"? 40% care about the Revolution in Japan. Millions bought GameCubes (in fall of 2003 it was a very hot item). You seem to be unable to see that your viewpoint is not the same as "people". I think we went through this before :|

You also miss the point Nintendo wants to make the HW approachable to designers. The GC is a very nice design, and everything Nintendo has said in the past and about Revolution is that they want their HW to be approachable for developers. They are conscious of the insane amounts it takes to make modern games, and while that is not a bad thing in of itself they do not want to see smaller innovative developers pushed out of the market.

Obviously your philosophy and game desires differ from Nintendo. Personally I like all the platforms because of their strengths. Nintendo has a history of great games, and the strength of their franchises continue to allow them to push out new hardware because millions of people want these franchises. It is a very profitable position for Nintendo, and as long as they keep making great games it will continue to work for them. So while it would be nice to have their games on other platforms (unless you hate their games too), the fact is Nintendo knows there is a market that will buy their HW just to play their games, and that means they get royalties from publishers to publish their games on their HW.

Ps- While I like Nintendo, I do not hate MS or Sony (and I spend 99% of my gaming time on the PC). I am actually excited about the Xbox2 and will probably buy it. But liking one system does NOT require hating its competitors.

 

[Xenus]

The problem with the GC is that most of the good games on the system are 1st party titles. Thus nintendo exclusives are about the only thing keeping the harware side afloat.

 

[Tuttle]

not en emotional need to se enitendo fail, but why even bother making more consoles when everyone you make gets progressivly worse. they should just stick to portable. they have lost touch with console gamers and dont have the slightest idea how to develop and market a successful console system anymore.

seriously the average 18 year old kid could market a console better than nintendo. they have rly become quite a shell of their former selfs.

What loony bin did you escape from?

Ninetendo is doing so bad they are outselling a company who has billions to spend on the market...

When you have a business model that works, you stick with it:

1) Make lean and efficient hardware
2) Make fun games
3) Profit

I can think of another console maker who can't even get one of those three right.

 

[Qroach]

Please, of course gamers in japan are more interested in revoloution or what nintendo has to offer over xbox 2. Xbox didn't have enough japanese made games to warrent any fanbase there liking it to a large extent.

What users are interested in, is a reflection on where they find games they want. so yes, the users don't expect to find anything on xbox 2. That doesn't mean the developers there can't change that.

What's really interesting is the amount of japanese developers interested in xbox 2. Judging by this poll, it's increased quite a bit. You might think, that doesn't matter because the public isn't interested. Well it actually does matter because the public will go towards whatever platforms have games they want. If xbox 2 has more japanese made games, they will end up with more customers.

 

[hovz]

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Cause everybody thinks exactly like you.

Everybody I know like Cel Shaded Zelda, loves the design of the cube and hate the design of XBox.

For me the cube is the outstanding console of this generation, unlike the N64 which I hated. Xbox is junk IMO (its the only one of my consolea not used regularly) and I hate online gaming.

So I'd say Nintendo ideas are just fine.

I even like the comedy aspect of EA street jam (not that I'm going to buy it...)

Different strokes for different folks.

yes nintendos ideas are fine thats why their marketshare is decreasing faster than the titanic sank. they have sold aroound 10 million cubes in almost 5 years, dramatically down from the nitendo 64, which was dramatically down from the super nes. but their ideas are fine and they are doing great!!!!

when i say their system isnt good, i dont mean the technical specs of the system. i mean the the library of games and what u have to look fowards to.

 

[Acert93]

i love when i read 1 of their conferences and they pronounce gamers want simpler games. lol always gives me a good laugh. nintendo cleary knows what its doing in the console business. they have sold a whopping 10 or so milion cubes in almost 5 years. amazing success story.

The GameCube was released in the US in the fall of 2001. That would make the GC a little over 3 years old. This is one of the reasons they are not aiming for a 2005 Revolution release--they want to stick to a 5 year cycle.

No one is saying you have to agree with the direction they are going (e.g. I like online games and I do like complicated games at times) but at least try appear objective.

 

[hovz]

nintendos systems are so much worse than the competiton

The NES was what brought the industry out of a big slump--it also was the top selling HW in its gen. The SNES was an excellent platform and technically was punc-for-punch as good as their competition (better in some areas, weaker in others)--it also was the top selling HW in its gen. The N64's only real weakness was Nintendo miscalculated consumer desire for CDs and how publishers jumped ship for the lower manufacturing costs which resulted in a smaller library of games compared to their competition. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great titles and sold like 30million consoles. The GameCube sold great in 2003. Nintendo has made some mistakes with the GameCube, BUT as a system it is not worse than the competition. Many of the IGN comparisons show the GC doing quite well compared to their competition. The GC has a smaller library but excellent games like SSB, Pikmin, Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, and so on.

GB, GB Advance, and DS have all been excellent designs and sold well (or started off well).

"nintendos systems are so much worse than the competiton" is an opinion, and the fact you have to mention it in every thread related to Nintendo is trolling. We get it already--you dislike Nintendo. I think everyone knows that now.

i dont consider them a choice.

Millions do and have. The fact the Famitsu article shows 40% of Japanese gamers are MORE interested in Revolution than the Xbox2 or PS3. They are only 14% behind PS3 in primary interest in Japan--that is really surprising. So while you do not consider them a choice a lot of people do.

on the bright side at least more developers could focus on the 2 systems people actually care about and produce better games.

Who are these "people"? 40% care about the Revolution in Japan. Millions bought GameCubes (in fall of 2003 it was a very hot item). You seem to be unable to see that your viewpoint is not the same as "people". I think we went through this before :|

You also miss the point Nintendo wants to make the HW approachable to designers. The GC is a very nice design, and everything Nintendo has said in the past and about Revolution is that they want their HW to be approachable for developers. They are conscious of the insane amounts it takes to make modern games, and while that is not a bad thing in of itself they do not want to see smaller innovative developers pushed out of the market.

Obviously your philosophy and game desires differ from Nintendo. Personally I like all the platforms because of their strengths. Nintendo has a history of great games, and the strength of their franchises continue to allow them to push out new hardware because millions of people want these franchises. It is a very profitable position for Nintendo, and as long as they keep making great games it will continue to work for them. So while it would be nice to have their games on other platforms (unless you hate their games too), the fact is Nintendo knows there is a market that will buy their HW just to play their games, and that means they get royalties from publishers to publish their games on their HW.

Ps- While I like Nintendo, I do not hate MS or Sony (and I spend 99% of my gaming time on the PC). I am actually excited about the Xbox2 and will probably buy it. But liking one system does NOT require hating its competitors.

i agree with you, the nintendo 64 was a great system with a lot of great games that pushed foward what games were doing. cant say the same for the gc however, as its just rehashes, ports minus online play, games that have better counterparts on competing systems, and only a tiny handful of games that actually make the cube worth owning.

 

[Tuttle]

The problem with the GC is that most of the good games on the system are 1st party titles. Thus nintendo exclusives are about the only thing keeping the harware side afloat.

And how exactly is that a "problem."

And how exactly is someone buying a first party game "keeping Nintendo afloat," but buying a non-Nintendo game healthy???

 

[thop]

http://crd.lbl.gov/~jcduell/sociology/bitter.gif

My first idea was that he's an old SEGA fanboi who is still bitter, but i don't want to insult the true SEGA fans. It appears he is just obsessed with Nintendo.

 

[Xenus]

Nintendo can only produce so many games by themselves they cannot afford to make all the gooed games on their systems. Sony and Microsoft will crush them every generation if they do not bring in quite a few good third party titles to bolster their line up.

 

[Readykilowatt]

Someone is bitter, very. What triggered all that stuff?

It probably has to do with the "death" of Nintendo's long-time rival Sega. Believe it or not, bitter and disgruntled Sega fans still exist.

*EDIT*

It appears he is just obsessed with Nintendo.

That's also possible.

 

[hovz]

not en emotional need to se enitendo fail, but why even bother making more consoles when everyone you make gets progressivly worse. they should just stick to portable. they have lost touch with console gamers and dont have the slightest idea how to develop and market a successful console system anymore.

seriously the average 18 year old kid could market a console better than nintendo. they have rly become quite a shell of their former selfs.

What loony bin did you escape from?

Ninetendo is doing so bad they are outselling a company who has billions to spend on the market...

When you have a business model that works, you stick with it:

1) Make lean and efficient hardware
2) Make fun games
3) Profit

I can think of another console maker who can't even get one of those three right.

sorry buddy xbox outsells gamecube, and on the softwareside they SERIOUSLY outsell gamecube.

thats pretty sad that a company with NO experience in the console industry and NO name recognition in it can just swoop in and outsell a company that has been doing it for over 10 years and is known by almost everyone even tho their console costs 100 bucks more.

nintendos business model is so good more and more 3rd parties are canceling games or just deciding not to bother with the gamecube.

that is the way to success alright.

 

[hovz]

as much as id like to humor your little psychology sessions, ive never owned a sega console. the last system i owned was a n64, which i enjoyed.

 

[thop]

Well it's clear that you have some emotional problems if the little cube gets you so worked up. I just wanna get to the bottom of it. Maybe we can help you