Fact: Nintendo to release HD console + controllers with built-in screen late 2012

[RudeCurve]

Uh, have you forgotten that Nintendo has already won this gen and that most gamers have both one of the HD consoles AND a Wii? Nintendo is not in the houses of casual gamers. They're in almost everyones house.

Nintendo hasn't won this generation. This generation isn't even over yet. Nintendo likes to claim Wii victory only because the Wii hardware cannot continue to sustain strong sales for another 5 years...unlike MS and SONY's more powerful hardware. They have no choice but to release something new because of declining Wii sales.

Sony's hardware never stole anything.

Sure it did, it stole marketshare from Nintendo and SEGA by having better hardware and more games. PS1 was disk based able to hold more data compared to N64 and was cheaper than Saturn and easier to develop for too.

People went with the PSX because it had all of the "games" not because of the hardware and the same with the PS2. I've said it once and I will say it again. People don't by consoles to look at them.

Actually PS1 ended up having all the games but it didn't start by having all the games. In fact it didn't even have any familiar franchises that SEGA and Nintendo had. It's funny but a lot of my friends who own multiple consoles don't even game on the Wii anymore...so ultimately they bought Wii to only look at it..

The Wii is still the top selling console till this very moment. People seem to be confusing slowing sells with complete and total bankruptcy. Nintendo is making as much profit now as Sony and Microsoft's gaming divisions combined even with their declining profits.

A lot of those profits are from hardware including portables not software. Cheap lowend hardware sold at high prices.

The Wii U is just going to be an addition to the market as most people will still own a Wii and will still be buying Nintendo made games for it. The Wii isn't going to suddenly stop existing and stop selling when the Wii U comes out.

People still buy PS2...and?

Nintendo has never targeted a casual audience as such a thing didn't even exist until those that lost to them this gen made it up(It was just gamer and non-gamer before). Casual is a projection mostly created by Sony to excuse there lack of success this gen. Nintendo does and always has targeted "all". The Wii U is no different.

No hardcore gamer takes the Wii seriously, considering it has horrible graphics and horrible online gaming. Wii is only good for casual gaming not hardcore and sales have been dropping off which points to "legs not long enough"...

 

[Ninjaprime]

Who let the fanboys in?

Rude, you must be delusional if you don't think Nintendo has won this generation. Nintendo is on track to have sold 100 million Wii's before the WiiU even launches. It took the fastest selling console title and will likely take the most consoles sold title, ever, eventually. Even assuming Wii sales stop completely the very day WiiU comes out(a delusional assumption) and 360/ps3 sales stay fairly strong without the typical fall off of consoles as they begin to reach saturation(another delusional assumption), they still won't beat the Wii in sales before they launch new consoles. Let go of your Nintendo hate and maybe you'll see the reality of the situation.

 

[-tkf-]

Nintendo hasn't won this generation.

Lets just play along with this comment. If they didn´t win it, then they are clearly in the lead and impossible to catch up to before this generation is over. And they did it without giving the hardware away, they won on so many fronts it´s scary.

 

[lilbroK]

Nintendo hasn't won this generation. This generation isn't even over yet. Nintendo likes to claim Wii victory only because the Wii hardware cannot continue to sustain strong sales for another 5 years...unlike MS and SONY's more powerful hardware. They have no choice but to release something new because of declining Wii sales.

Nintendo is releases something new because of preference, not because of declining sales. They are still making astronomical profits. The Wii U is just Nintendo doing what it does without any concern for Sony of Microsoft. They have made it clear again and again since the last gen that they are no longer concerned with what Sony and Microsoft do and thus nothing they do is strongly influenced by them.

Sure it did, it stole marketshare from Nintendo and SEGA by having better hardware and more games. PS1 was disk based able to hold more data compared to N64 and was cheaper than Saturn and easier to develop for too.

You can't steal marketshare. That is just standard business. People buy what they like and the rest of that statement is completely irrelevant to anything I said. What is the point of it?

Actually PS1 ended up having all the games but it didn't start by having all the games. In fact it didn't even have any familiar franchises that SEGA and Nintendo had. It's funny but a lot of my friends who own multiple consoles don't even game on the Wii anymore...so ultimately they bought Wii to only look at it..

The PS1 had many familiar franchises like the Final Fantasy series which was its second best selling next to Gran Turismo. I digress though. What difference does any of that make in regards to what I said. Aren't we talking about Nintendo's new console?

A lot of those profits are from hardware including portables not software. Cheap lowend hardware sold at high prices.

FIrst, I didn't even factor in the sales of other system they have. I am talking solely about the Wii and second, what does they're hardware being cheap or lowend and their prices have to do with what I was talking about?

The point and the fact of the matter is that they are still selling more hardware either competer and making more money than both of them combined from their console alone. People keep talking like they are dying and that they are releasing the Wii U out of some contrived fear when all of those points are completely ridiculous. The company is not in any danger one way or another.

People still buy PS2...and?

What difference does that make? What is the point of this statement? We are discussing the Wii U, not the PS2.

No hardcore gamer takes the Wii seriously, considering it has horrible graphics and horrible online gaming. Wii is only good for casual gaming not hardcore and sales have been dropping off which points to "legs not long enough"...

You are entitled to your beliefs but what does any of this have to do with what I was talking about it. Whether or not you or anyone else takes the Wii seriously means nothing in relation to what I said. What does that have to do with the current specifications of Nintendo's new console?

 

[RudeCurve]

Lets just play along with this comment. If they didn´t win it, then they are clearly in the lead and impossible to catch up to before this generation is over. And they did it without giving the hardware away, they won on so many fronts it´s scary.

What is winning? Is it selling millions of consoles that people don't touch anymore? Did they win because the best versions of the biggest games are on PS360? Did they win because they don't have a robust online gaming infrastructure? In my view that is not winning. If they're winning how come their console doesn't have long enough legs to survive another 5 years?

They may be winning because they convinced a bunch of sheep to buy an oudated piece of hardware with gimmicky controls but to me as a consumer that is hardly winning. I was lucky to not fall for the hype at Wii's launch to avoid buying one and I can tell you that I don't regret that decision one bit after playing with a friends console. Horrible graphics and horrible online gaming experience. All of my friends who own multiple console have admitted to not having used the Wii for months to years gathering dust. That is not "winning"...lol.

 

[RudeCurve]

Nintendo is releases something new because of preference, not because of declining sales.

You actually believe that?

They are still making astronomical profits.

From Wii sales? Or from Wii + portables?

The Wii U is just Nintendo doing what it does without any concern for Sony of Microsoft. They have made it clear again and again since the last gen that they are no longer concerned with what Sony and Microsoft do and thus nothing they do is strongly influenced by them.

Then why are they announcing and claiming a more powerful console to compete with them? Showing frst generation PS360 games?

You can't steal marketshare. That is just standard business. People buy what they like and the rest of that statement is completely irrelevant to anything I said. What is the point of it?

Sure you can. If there were 10 customers and they all bought your products then you own 100% marketshare but when 9 out of 10 started buying my products then I've stolen 90% of your market. At that point you close shop and I buy your assets to gain the remaining 10%.

The PS1 had many familiar franchises like the Final Fantasy series which was its second best selling next to Gran Turismo.

Not in the beginning.

I digress though. What difference does any of that make in regards to what I said. Aren't we talking about Nintendo's new console?

You brought it up so you tell me.

FIrst, I didn't even factor in the sales of other system they have. I am talking solely about the Wii and second, what does they're hardware being cheap or lowend and their prices have to do with what I was talking about?

The relevance is they sold inferior hardware for profit while MS and SONY sold superior hardware at a loss. I'm telling you how they're making more profit than MS or SONY.

The point and the fact of the matter is that they are still selling more hardware either competer and making more money than both of them combined from their console alone.

Source?

People keep talking like they are dying and that they are releasing the Wii U out of some contrived fear when all of those points are completely ridiculous. The company is not in any danger one way or another.

Then why not ride the profits for another 5 years since you claim the competition can't touch them?

What difference does that make? What is the point of this statement? We are discussing the Wii U, not the PS2.

You tell me, you're the one who brought up the fact the Wii won't be discontinued when WiiU arrives.

You are entitled to your beliefs but what does any of this have to do with what I was talking about it. Whether or not you or anyone else takes the Wii seriously means nothing in relation to what I said. What does that have to do with the current specifications of Nintendo's new console?

It has everything to do with what you're talkig about. Hardcore and Casual are 100% relevent whether is was made up by SONY or by XYZ. The total gaming market has submarkets and it's clearly obvious that Nintendo DOES NOT own the hardcore chunk. That is owned by MS and SONY.

 

[lilbroK]

You actually believe that?



From Wii sales? Or from Wii + portables?



Then why are they announcing and claiming a more powerful console to compete with them? Showing frst generation PS360 games?



Sure you can. If there were 10 customers and they all bought your products then you own 100% marketshare but when 9 out of 10 started buying my products then I've stolen 90% of your market. At that point you close shop and I buy your assets to gain the remaining 10%.



Not in the beginning.



You brought it up so you tell me.



The relevance is they sold inferior hardware for profit while MS and SONY sold superior hardware at a loss. I'm telling you how they're making more profit than MS or SONY.



Source?



Then why not ride the profits for another 5 years since you claim the competition can't touch them?



You tell me, you're the one who brought up the fact the Wii won't be discontinued when WiiU arrives.



It has everything to do with what you're talkig about. Hardcore and Casual are 100% relevent whether is was made up by SONY or by XYZ. The total gaming market has submarkets and it's clearly obvious that Nintendo DOES NOT own the hardcore chunk. That is owned by MS and SONY.

On the second one: Did you even read what I said?

On the third one: They aren't claiming more powerful hardware than Sony or Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft were never adressed.
The developers are making those claims of there own volition. Nintendo said it clearly that they are making it for developers because they felt the developers had trouble impressing people with it the Wii. The primary purpose of the Wii U is to attract third party developers to make games for there system.

On the sixth one: That is not relevant. My post was in reference and directly related to the topic. Your post was made to spite my post and had nothing to do with the main point or the topic that was being discussed at all unless I am missing something.

We are discussing the Nintendo's next console. Nothing else that you said had either properly answered my questions or supported the topic of discussion. Please do not bother me again if this is all that you intend to do.

Iwata stated that while it's possible to use multiple Wii U controllers, for now they are focusing on just using one due to how expensive the controller is. The console still can use 4 Wiimotes in addition to the Wii U remote, so multiplayer can still be done. Nintendo will also likely accept games with multiple Wii U controllers eventually.

As for the 3DS.. the DS didn't really have a fast start neither.



Probably a very good time to buy.

I see. I was wondering about that. Everyone was just spamming it can't be done but I saw no reason why it couldn't. Did he say anything about total controllers that can be used over all? It would be nice to be able to use 4 Wiimotes and Wii Tablets

 

[RudeCurve]

On the second one: Did you even read what I said?

On the third one: They aren't claiming more powerful hardware than Sony or Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft were never adressed.
The developers are making those claims of there own volition. Nintendo said it clearly that they are making it for developers because they felt the developers had trouble impressing people with it the Wii. The primary purpose of the Wii U is to attract third party developers to make games for there system.

On the sixth one: That is not relevant. My post was in reference and directly related to the topic. Your post was made to spite my post and had nothing to do with the main point or the topic that was being discussed at all unless I am missing something.

We are discussing the Nintendo's next console. Nothing else that you said had either properly answered my questions or supported the topic of discussion. Please do not bother me again if this is all that you intend to do.

You came into the thread to respond to my posts with rose tinted goggles not the other way around...stop bothering me with nonsensical gibberish.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

What is winning?

For these businesses, it's selling the most consoles and making the most money. Nintendo won. Ms have built mindshare. Sony have managed to cling on with their finger nails to try again. Nintendo have hoovered up great gobs of cash and shown the other two what good business is all about.

 

[-tkf-]

What is winning? Is it selling millions of consoles that people don't touch anymore? Did they win because the best versions of the biggest games are on PS360? Did they win because they don't have a robust online gaming infrastructure? In my view that is not winning. If they're winning how come their console doesn't have long enough legs to survive another 5 years?

They may be winning because they convinced a bunch of sheep to buy an oudated piece of hardware with gimmicky controls but to me as a consumer that is hardly winning. I was lucky to not fall for the hype at Wii's launch to avoid buying one and I can tell you that I don't regret that decision one bit after playing with a friends console. Horrible graphics and horrible online gaming experience. All of my friends who own multiple console have admitted to not having used the Wii for months to years gathering dust. That is not "winning"...lol.

I don´t use Charlie Sheens definition of winning when it comes to the Wii ning. Pure raw sales with lots of money earned while the competition was supposed to be the winning consoles. That is a win!

I don´t even have one, i have a Gamecube already and i don´t like the controllers, so what.
And my taste doesn´t matter, i see the WII in homes where there weren´t any consoles before. I see it in the living room, where in the old days the consoles were in the kids room. I see moms, girl friends etc, jiggle their stuff while they play WII fit. Nintendo forced Sony and Microsoft to come up with a "new" controller, they changed the landscape of consoles. It´s a winning console on all accounts except hardware which they proved really didn´t matter if the games were good enough.

When you say "you as a consumer" you are wrong, the majority of the consumers chose the wii. It´s you as a non average consumer that didn´t buyt it. And that makes you less interesting for Nintendo, and they don´t really expect to convince you of anything.

Nintendo won by doing something special, that is good. The definition of insanity is doing the same stuff over and over again and expecting a different outcome...Nintendo clearly knows this and will rather take chances than repeat past failuers.

 

[RudeCurve]

For these businesses, it's selling the most consoles and making the most money. Nintendo won. Ms have built mindshare. Sony have managed to cling on with their finger nails to try again. Nintendo have hoovered up great gobs of cash and shown the other two what good business is all about.

Going by that definition they've been winning up to this point but their business model cannot be sustained for another 5 years. In other words depending on the length of a console generation they could be winning or losing.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Going by that definition they've been winning up to this point but their business model cannot be sustained for another 5 years. In other words depending on the length of a console generation they could be winning or losing.

They made stupid amounts of money. MS and Sony lost stupid amounts of money. MS and Sony will never catch up with what Nintendo managed, ergo Nintendo won. If you want to wait another 5 years to see that, fine, but to the rest of us it's patently obvious that an unassailable lead counts as a win even if the finishing line hasn't been crossed.

 

[RudeCurve]

I don´t use Charlie Sheens definition of winning when it comes to the Wii ning. Pure raw sales with lots of money earned while the competition was supposed to be the winning consoles. That is a win!

I don´t even have one, i have a Gamecube already and i don´t like the controllers, so what.
And my taste doesn´t matter, i see the WII in homes where there weren´t any consoles before. I see it in the living room, where in the old days the consoles were in the kids room. I see moms, girl friends etc, jiggle their stuff while they play WII fit. Nintendo forced Sony and Microsoft to come up with a "new" controller, they changed the landscape of consoles. It´s a winning console on all accounts except hardware which they proved really didn´t matter if the games were good enough.

When you say "you as a consumer" you are wrong, the majority of the consumers chose the wii. It´s you as a non average consumer that didn´t buyt it. And that makes you less interesting for Nintendo, and they don´t really expect to convince you of anything.

Nintendo won by doing something special, that is good. The definition of insanity is doing the same stuff over and over again and expecting a different outcome...Nintendo clearly knows this and will rather take chances than repeat past failuers.

Yes millions of people have bought Wii's, the question is do they still use them or are they just gathering dust? All of my friends who own multiple consoles don't use their Wii anymore while they regularly use PS360. The Wii was a one trick pony a fluke...not repeatable.

 

[Rodéric]

RudeCurve you may stop spitting out your Nintendo hatred now, thank you.

 

[liolio]

Honestly Nintendo won but sale figures and profits doesn't say the whole pictures about the state of the market as a whole and their situation on this market.
They are trying to extend their reach on core gamers, they have to have compliant hardware to do that. The other thing is that they don't offer much to casual gamers, touchscreen? Casual gamers may play casual games on their phones, especially as it's unclear how many WiiU controller the system supports (and no need to point me unclear statements or rumours).
Honestly it's a tough bet to win but who knows anyway if if they fail they won't die, Nintendo never bet the house on something if it were to be a new virtual boy or something they will eol it and rebound.
THey have the cash to swallow a failure even though this can't never be seen as a good thing.

Imho their communication has been bad, if they still have not definitely stopped the specs they should have make a clear statement about what they want to achieve. I can see why investors can be pissed off. "Hey execs you launch a handled some moths ago and it's not part of the bigger plan?"
N has time to do minor (as far as engineering is concerned) change to systems that can imporve drastically the system positioning vs up coming systems, will they?
it depends, my POV is that if they are not making thing clearer at TGS they are setting problems for themselves. Time to be patient. But really for me the real low for the N is how WiiU and 3DS look to have been design in insulation! That's N biggest failure more than final specs, etc.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Yes millions of people have bought Wii's, the question is do they still use them or are they just gathering dust? All of my friends who own multiple consoles don't use their Wii anymore while they regularly use PS360. The Wii was a one trick pony a fluke...not repeatable.

Stop changing your argument. You were saying Wuu wouldn't sell, bad business, Nintendo will fail because they won't make money and that's ruin them as a company. Now your just saying you don't like Wii. What the hell as that got to do with Nintendo failing as a business as you claim?

From a business perspective, whether you like their consoles or not, Nintendo are very good at making money. They have massive cash reserves and can survive a complete fiscal flop, certainly better than Sony struggling with its losses on PS3. They don't need a saviour - if Wuu doesn't work, they can try something else, same as any company.

 

[pc999]

Yes millions of people have bought Wii's, the question is do they still use them or are they just gathering dust? All of my friends who own multiple consoles don't use their Wii anymore while they regularly use PS360. The Wii was a one trick pony a fluke...not repeatable.

Do the 100+Millions of PS2 that people dont use anymore, mean that PS360 won that gen?

 

[ninzel]

Anyway, what do you guys think of Nintendo's stated plans to allow an open flexible online plan where devs customize the experience? How do see that playing out in real terms?
Would it be like the old PC days where you just accessed all the content and info in game like we are seeing from things like Uplay or maybe an icon or channel on the dashboard from each dev that allows you to access the stuff.
I don't online game so things like unified MS gamertag was never an issue or selling point for me. I just want access to demo's ,DLC, downloadable games.
Something like PSN would be more than enough for me.
And judging by how poorly Nintendo does online themselves,maybe allowing the devs to do it might not be a bad idea.

 

[Rangers]

Who let the fanboys in?

Rude, you must be delusional if you don't think Nintendo has won this generation. Nintendo is on track to have sold 100 million Wii's before the WiiU even launches. It took the fastest selling console title and will likely take the most consoles sold title, ever, eventually. Even assuming Wii sales stop completely the very day WiiU comes out(a delusional assumption) and 360/ps3 sales stay fairly strong without the typical fall off of consoles as they begin to reach saturation(another delusional assumption), they still won't beat the Wii in sales before they launch new consoles. Let go of your Nintendo hate and maybe you'll see the reality of the situation.

It's not all rosy. Seen Japan sales lately? Wii is selling down at ~6-7k per week, consistently. That's almost nonexistent sales. Nintendo might literally be shipping 100k a quarter to one of the big 3 videogame markets. That's disastrous. 360 sells 2-3k per week in Japan! And it's not "saturation" because Wii Japan LTD is around 11m, where PS2 sold more like 20m.

PS3 and 360 are basically the same console, with mostly the same games. In that respect, they've handily beaten the Wii already. Just because they're splitting their market in two doesnt mean that market isn't bigger than the Wii one. What if the 360 was the only hardcore console (and thus, would get likely essentially all of the Ps3's sales too) but the Wii/casual market was hypothetically split between the Wii and the Apple wagglebox? Would people go around saying "wow, 360 is really killing it" when in reality nothing would really be different from the way it is now in terms of hardcore v casual market share?

It took the fastest selling console title and will likely take the most consoles sold title, ever, eventually.

Factually, this looks very unlikely at this point. Wii is currently at 86m shipped while PS2 is at close to 150m I believe. But the Wii's sales are hitting a cliff. With it's successor the Wii u coming soon which will likely only worsen the decline. I looked up the last fiscal years Wii shipments, 2009=25.9, 2010=20.5m, 2011, 15.1m, 2012, projected 13m, but I dont think they will hit that, probably not even close, in 2011 they had projected 18m. And here's April-June 2011 shipments: 360, 2.7m, PS3, 2.1m, Wii, 1.36.

 

[BRiT]

Anyway, what do you guys think of Nintendo's stated plans to allow an open flexible online plan where devs customize the experience? How do see that playing out in real terms?
Would it be like the old PC days where you just accessed all the content and info in game like we are seeing from things like Uplay or maybe an icon or channel on the dashboard from each dev that allows you to access the stuff.

I see the Nintendo stated plans differently, more of a "We know can't do online gaming so we won't bother to throw away money on it, so we'll let each individual game developer and publisher have to create the experience all by themselves." I see it as being an abysmal failure. Yes, it's rather doom and gloom, but that's the way I see it.