Fact: Nintendo to release HD console + controllers with built-in screen late 2012

[Rangers]

Noooooooooo. No more chopping the ROPS. That's in part what killed 360/PS3's ability to render at HD resolutions in all games. 8 ROPS was a bad decision. It's bad enough they had 128-bit busses, but cutting the ROPS from 16 to 8 killed them. 4000 MPixels/sec fillrate wasn't enough. I hope Cafe has at least 8 MPixel/sec fillrate if not 12 MPixel/sec.

Err, I've never heard any devs complain about ROPS as the bottleneck that caused them to go sub 720p...ever.

Besides, I wasnt advocating cutting ROPS, just using it as an example of something "modular" that can be easily done to a GPU, that I dont consider to make that GPU truly "custom" at any deep level.

 

[Rangers]

About the posted new rumors:

Tend not to believe them, the games list just looks to much like a Nintendo fans wet dream, like somebody just threw in there every blockbuster big name title out there, like a wish list too good to be true.

IF true though, which I doubt, 2gb would be quite powerful and put a lot of pressure on PS3 and 360.

How powerful Wii2 is determines how much pressure (price cut pressure, pressure to hurry out successors) is going to be put on PS3/360 in a lot of ways. If it's the same power +-10%, pressure will be little. If it's significant, ie 2GB RAM, the pressure will be much greater.

Edit: Final Fantasy XV? Red Dead 2? Yeah, those rumors look very fake.

 

[eastmen]

About the posted new rumors:

Tend not to believe them, the games list just looks to much like a Nintendo fans wet dream, like somebody just threw in there every blockbuster big name title out there, like a wish list too good to be true.

IF true though, which I doubt, 2gb would be quite powerful and put a lot of pressure on PS3 and 360.

How powerful Wii2 is determines how much pressure (price cut pressure, pressure to hurry out successors) is going to be put on PS3/360 in a lot of ways. If it's the same power +-10%, pressure will be little. If it's significant, ie 2GB RAM, the pressure will be much greater.

Edit: Final Fantasy XV? Red Dead 2? Yeah, those rumors look very fake.

well knowing nintendo they will just reuse the gamecube / wii engines with some modifications to them to get games out on time.


Anyway I don't think Sony and MS will feel pressured to release something new . You figure this is hitting in 2012 so Sony and MS both have another holdiay as the best consoles out. MS can drop further to $100 with the core . I doubt nintendo wil lget this new system out for less than $300 so MS will have a nice price diffrence and considering there are around a 100m xbox360s + ps3s its not like software will dry up , most likely nintendo will get up resed ports like ms got in 2005/6 .

If MS and sony are ready for holiday 2013 or even 14 its only a year to two years of a wait. Two years can become a big deal in terms of hardware .

 

[Laa-Yosh]

2GB should be enough IMHO, virtual texturing is a valid technology, it should become a standard soon enough. Especially because it not only conserves memory, it should also reduce loading from disc (or any other storage) which could be a much greater problem on the next generation of consoles.
2 gigs should be more than enough space for all the textures if a 720p game can already run with 512 MB, so a lot of the remaining memory could be used for animation data, AI, geometry, blendshapes for various kinds of character deformations, and so on.

 

[ninzel]

The games rumours don't seem too out of line when you think about.
Most of those 3rd party titles are probably already well under way being developed,and even if all Nintendo does is put out a console that is equal to PS360,why wouldn't Wii2 get a version?
It doesn't say those big titles like GTAV, Red Dead 2,RE or Metal Gear are exclusive,it just says they will be shown on the Wii2. I imagine those games would have been shown at E3 on PS360 anyway,even if Wii2 were not coming out.

The SSD thing doesn't seem plausible. If they want to have the best online experience you would think that would include lots of DLC. WHy not just go with a standard laptop HDD for more space at less cost.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Maybe you can hook up any standard usb storage device? Maybe they use a small ssd to try and keep the console small?

 

[Rangers]

SSD's cost a hundred bucks for the small ones. Just another reason those rumors are fake.

 

[fehu]

SSD's cost a hundred bucks for the small ones. Just another reason those rumors are fake.

actually the wii uses 512MB of solid state storage

 

[Megadrive1988]

SSD would be nice but it's too expensive.

I sure hope the 2GB rumor is true. That would be utterly fantastic. I don't expect Xbox3/PS4 to have more than 4GB.

 

[Refreshment]

actually the wii uses 512MB of solid state storage

So? Its not an SSD. Don't understand your point.

Also i can't believe that disgusting rumor got posted in Beyond3d of all forums. It's obviously a mixture of the rumors we already have from the somewhat credible sites coupled with a manboy wishful thinking. A game lineup and SSD... holy sh!t.

 

[ltcommander.data]

The games rumours don't seem too out of line when you think about.
Most of those 3rd party titles are probably already well under way being developed,and even if all Nintendo does is put out a console that is equal to PS360,why wouldn't Wii2 get a version?
It doesn't say those big titles like GTAV, Red Dead 2,RE or Metal Gear are exclusive,it just says they will be shown on the Wii2. I imagine those games would have been shown at E3 on PS360 anyway,even if Wii2 were not coming out.

GTA V being announced at E3 for multiple platforms, perhaps with the Wii2 being the premiere graphical showcase, is definitely likely. But given Rockstar's history of taking their time with true sequels, it's hard to believe they will already be announcing and showing Red Dead Redemption 2. If it was an enhanced version of Red Dead Redemption with new DLC and visuals or a standalone expansion like Vice City or San Andreas was to GTA III, it would be more believable. And would EA really be promoting NHL/NFL/NBA '13 before '12 is even launched?

 

[Deleted member 13524]

SSD's cost a hundred bucks for the small ones. Just another reason those rumors are fake.

It depends.
A high-performance PC SSD is very expensive expensive, because it includes the memory chips and a high-performance memory controller and a SATA I/O interface.
But a SSD doesn't have to be expensive. You can buy a class6 16GB SDHC for ~15$. High-volume costs should be around $10 for class 6 16GB SDHCs right now.

Nintendo could be spending something like ~$40 for 4*16GB eMMC modules, plus som $5 for something that does RAID0 between them.
For $45 (at launch, because that's very likely to go down in the mid-term) hey'd have a 64GB "SSD" with a very decent performance (although a lot lower than regular 64GB 2.5" SSD drives), with access latencies that are a lot lower than the regular hard drives in PS3 and X360.
Pair it with a SDXC slot for less important user data (up to 2TB.. should be enough, lol) and it should be good enough to cover both high-performance and high capacity requirements.


As for the rest of the rumours, the hardware looks like a compilation of all the rumours so far (except the controller display resolution, which should be 960*540, but that could be a typo). Showing the smallest side first (640*960) could also mean that the display is in portrait mode.. and that's weird.

But yeah, the playable game demos line-up look more like a fan's wet dream, too good to be true.

I mean, all those E3 demos would be better than the entire 3DS line-up that we'll have for the whole year.

 

[liolio]

I wonder what NIntendo's position will be in regard to Steam/Valve, especially after the PSN debacle.
Valve won't miss the opportunity to "jump in" if they have the chance. It would be a huge win for Nintendo too as it would allow them to catch up with live/psn in a shorter time.

 

[fehu]

So? Its not an SSD. Don't understand your point.

ok, actually the wii has 512MB of Solid State Disk

 

[swaaye]

It has a 512MB flash chip. It's as simple as you can get and very slow of course.
http://wiire.org/Wii/console/motherboard

They'd probably move to something like 8GB in a new machine and a newer chip would probably be faster. But I doubt they'll move to something like a SSD with controller and multiple flash channels.

 

[liolio]

I wonder what Nintendo choice will in regard to mass storage. My hope is that they leave the choice of the HDD to the costumer and ship with say 8GB flash memory soldered on the mobo for Os saves and caching.

 

[MarkoIt]

Usually devkits have more memory than consumer units. For example the Xbox360 devkits have 1 Gb..

 

[nintenho]

I wonder what Nintendo choice will in regard to mass storage. My hope is that they leave the choice of the HDD to the costumer and ship with say 8GB flash memory soldered on the mobo for Os saves and caching.

One of the complaints about the 360 compared to the PS3 is that on the PS3, you can always rely on having the ability to require a mandatory install. Even 20GB would actually be pretty tight if you're installing most of your games.

 

[Xenus]

Yeah that list doesn't seem realistic in games. FFXV is not going to be shown with FF-Type-0, FFXII-2, and FF XIII Versus still not yet released.

 

[Brad Grenz]

The problem is the "rumored" lineup just reads too much like a fanboy wishlist to be credible. And absent some evidence or a trusted source to back it up, why should we think it's anything else? Remember that bogus twitter account a while back claiming to have knowledge of Microsoft's E3 announcements? It was a steady dribble of popular guesses, none of which came to pass. And yet, for weeks this anonymous jackass had the whole blogosphere repeating everything he said.