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[Evildeus]

you don't seem to see mine (ie possible conflict of interest

dear god you cant let it go can you, he cant see yours, along with 90% of people in this thread, because your point was proven invalid pages ago!

It's not because 99.99% of the population think one way that the 0.01% is wrong and it's not because it won't happen for 99.99% surely that it can't happen.

Do you think that any of the Beta participants are going to do something that can be found within the developer releases given they know media have the same release? Frankly that would be stupid of them to attempt something like this in the first place.

Frankly, if FM didn't have this new feature FM/ET/B3D wouldn't have found the cheat.


NV is cheating (till NV can prove otherwise or FM says otherwise).

 

[martrox]

Frankly, if FM didn't have this new feature FM/ET/B3D wouldn't have found the cheat.

And this make it right????? <insert favorite religious icon or colorful langauge here>, THINK about what you are saying!

 

[Dave Baumann]

there is a hypothetical here as to how this type of thing would be handled with a beta member. However, you'll have to trust that a similar approach would be applied. The fact of the matter is that this hasn't happened as yet, as these tools that the beta members have access to are there to highlight it.

 

[Evildeus]

Frankly, if FM didn't have this new feature FM/ET/B3D wouldn't have found the cheat.

And this make it right????? <insert favorite religious icon or colorful langauge here>, THINK about what you are saying!

I think you should read what i wrote. It doesn't make it right. It just means that you can't predict that this won't happen once more in the future and that FM won't come out with a way to discover the trick. And then try to connect it with the qutoe just above... And then what? I don't know, and it seems nobody cares, so it's a non-issue for almost everybody 8) .

 

[Evildeus]

there is a hypothetical here as to how this type of thing would be handled with a beta member. However, you'll have to trust that a similar approach would be applied. The fact of the matter is that this hasn't happened as yet, as these tools that the beta members have access to are there to highlight it.

Well, that's what i'm asking from the beginning, and i was waiting for this response:

However, you'll have to trust that a similar approach would be applied

And as you see, you supposed it will be the same, but you are not sure. I hope that you are right.

Thx Dave.

 

[Reverend]

Evildeus, beta members are chosen for a particular reason, if you'll allow me to "sidetrack" a bit.

I am wondering what would happen if say HardOCP (surely yopu will understand why I used it as an example) was a FM beta member and they discovered this whole mess -- what do you think they would, or could, be able to write about?

 

[Evildeus]

Evildeus, beta members are chosen for a particular reason, if you'll allow me to "sidetrack" a bit.

I am wondering what would happen if say HardOCP (surely yopu will understand why I used it as an example) was a FM beta member and they discovered this whole mess -- what do you think they would, or could, be able to write about?

I don't know Reve and i don't mind. Do you know for sure that [H] can't understand the meaning of NDA's? And moreover, what's the point in asking? [H] is not in the beta program, but B3D is. Therefore you have some responsabilities in the information you give.

As you know, you can't say without the approval of FM whatever you want with the beta program facilities about issues on GC.

Sure B3D (ET i don't know so...) has a great reputation, that's what i like. I really think that's the reason that B3D was choosen.

But i also sees possibilities of using this reputation, or covering issues because of the so called beta program.

If tomorrow you find the same kind of issue on the GC of a beta member. Can you say that for sure, you will be able to tell it as you are able right now? I really think that B3D would like to, but i'm not sure that the beta member who is at fault would agree. I don't know what would happen.

I've also been part of beta program (well for MMORPG) and a editor for a website on this MMORPG. I think i never got out of the NDA. That's why i understand the possibilities of using people to say some things even if there's other issues.

 

[Doomtrooper]

I don't know Reve and i don't mind. Do you know for sure that [H] can't understand the meaning of NDA's? And moreover, what's the point in asking? [H] is not in the beta program, but B3D is. Therefore you have some responsabilities in the information you give.

Obviouslly he meant they would not have the 'technical' expertise to be able to identify these programming hacks.
Not to say the Brent is not a decent reviewer, but he is also not as technically inclined as the people on this website, and you must have some form of programming, graphic card background to understand how these 'cheats' are done.

That is why this site also was overlooked for years for review cards IMO, they do too good of a job at the technical side, and Nvidia much rather likes big graphs with comments like 'kickass' all over it.

 

[Evildeus]

Obviouslly he meant they would not have the 'technical' expertise to be able to identify these programming hacks.
Not to say the Brent is not a decent reviewer, but he is also not as technically inclined as the people on this website, and you must have some form of programming, graphic card background to understand how these 'cheats' are done.

That is why this site also was overlooked for years for review cards IMO, they do too good of a job at the technical side, and Nvidia much rather likes big graphs with comments like 'kickass' all over it.

And obviously ET did have some help from FM/developper or the editor is a developper. So i don't see your point. I don't know what are the connections between hardware website and developper,s but i'm sure you can always find someone who knows to help you.

Finally, i don't see your point. Every website has their customers. I like the way B3D does, but i also like [H] reviews. They are not directed to the same public. Moreover, i think more people like "kickass" reviews than you think

 

[Randell]

Finally, i don't see your point. Every website has their customers. I like the way B3D does, but i also like [H] reviews. They are not directed to the same public. Moreover, i think more people like "kickass" reviews than you think

what a surprise, its pretty damn easy poitn to see, and its about what IHV's might not want to see idnetified in respect of their cards features! Not about what some teenage fanboy wants to read!

 

[Fred da Roza]

NV is cheating (till NV can prove otherwise or FM says otherwise).

nVidia is cheating if the evidence proves they are cheating. ET and Beyond3D have provided strong evidence of nVidia's guilt. In addition nVidia has a recent history of inflating their 3DMark03 results. Exactly what evidence are you expecting before you will acknowledge that nVidia is guilty?

When evidence is provided of guilt, reasonable doubt has to be established. What plausible explanation do you have or has nVidia given that would explain the anomalies in 3DMark03? What evidence have you or nVidia provided that would establish reasonable doubt that these anomalies are not cheats? It appears you will proclaim nVidia’s innocence without any reasonable doubt.

 

[Reverend]

I don't know Reve and i don't mind. Do you know for sure that [H] can't understand the meaning of NDA's? And moreover, what's the point in asking? [H] is not in the beta program, but B3D is. Therefore you have some responsabilities in the information you give.

Obviouslly he meant they would not have the 'technical' expertise to be able to identify these programming hacks.

Actually, that wasn't what I had in mind. Perhaps I should just keep quiet and let a representative of FM explain why the beat members are chosen, if they do care to do so (and I think they should... IHVs are IHVs -- FM needs them -- but press/website members are all together a different thing).

 

[Evildeus]

Finally, i don't see your point. Every website has their customers. I like the way B3D does, but i also like [H] reviews. They are not directed to the same public. Moreover, i think more people like "kickass" reviews than you think

what a surprise, its pretty damn easy poitn to see, and its about what IHV's might not want to see idnetified in respect of their cards features! Not about what some teenage <bleep> wants to read!

Well perhaps, but it's those teenage who buys those cards. So if there's a place where's those "cheating" proof have more effects it's more on [H] (look @ the quack fiasco) then a confidential or eletist hardware site.

So the point is counterproductive i would say, unfortunately.

 

[Randell]

So the point is counterproductive i would say, unfortunately.

A bit like cheating and getting caught?

A point in itself cannot be counter productive.

A stance or an action or a means to an end can be

Anyway there are OEMs and non teenage fanboys who want sites that dif a little deeper and the success of B3d proves that stance is not counter-productive.

I know where I go to form my buying decisions.

 

[John Reynolds]

Well perhaps, but it's those teenage who buys those cards. So if there's a place where's those "cheating" proof have more effects it's more on [H] (look @ the quack fiasco) then a confidential or eletist hardware site.

And shows like TechTV.

Elitist carries such negative connotations, though. Ouch. Come to think of it, I have called Anthony an elitist bastard on more than one occasion. 8)

 

[whql]

Well perhaps, but it's those teenage who buys those cards. So if there's a place where's those "cheating" proof have more effects it's more on [H] (look @ the quack fiasco) then a confidential or eletist hardware site.

You forget. ExtremeTech is part of the Ziff-Davis media, how many computer and tech related print mags do they produce?

 

[Pete]

I doubt many teenagers buy $400+ video cards, which is what the 5800U and 5900U will be for the next few months.

J'aime que tu as dit "Reve" en place de "Rev."

 

[CosmoKramer]

J'aime que tu as dit "Reve" en place de "Rev."

OT: So what does "Reve" mean? Just curious...

 

[nelg]

Evildeus:

If it walks like a duck, quaks like a duck, it is a duck.
Who are you really Rene Descarte.

 

[MuFu]

Somebody always brings up "Quak".



MuFu.