Yea its a real shame they didn't continue it. The volt itself was just to small. Could barely fit into it at 6'4. The trax isn't much bigger but the way your sitting is changed. It's hard to explain but its more like a regular chair where as the volt is more like sitting up in bed.. so i just fit better in those types of chair styles .
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Yea its a real shame they didn't continue it. The volt itself was just to small. Could barely fit into it at 6'4. The trax isn't much bigger but the way your sitting is changed. It's hard to explain but its more like a regular chair where as the volt is more like sitting up in bed.. so i just fit better in those types of chair styles .
PHEVs do not need a lot of "range", in the same way standard hybrids don't need big batteries either. The crux: ICE powertrains are least efficient when accelerating from a stop; all-electric powertrains are most efficient when accelerating from a stop because maximum torque of an electric motor occurs at zero RPM. As an aside, this low-speed efficiency of electric motors is why diesel-electric trains are THE most efficienct way of moving epic tonnage across land. As such, using an electric motor to get an ICE car moving can make an incredible difference in overall efficiency where it matters the most.
I'm pretty sure it is 38, I encourage you to double check. The older model was less.
All things considered, and with about 200 seconds of Google searching to catch myself up a bit, the Outlander PHEV looks like a solid capture of the PHEV SUV crossover 7-seater niche. It seems to get acceptable or better reviews from everyone, it is reported to get excellent fuel mileage, and depending on who you ask the general Mitsubishi reliability seems to have gone up in the past handful of years. Combined with a very affordable sub-$40k MSRP, that might be a pretty solid buy for someone in your place.
Man, but that thing fell out of the UGLY tree and hit every UGLY branch on the way down.Just IMHO of course...
Yeah it is perfect for someone who lives in mild climate and wants to take it on long trips. I think silent Buddha described a lifestyle that would fit him perfectly. It is ugly to me as well. It didn't even have nice paint options. All super boring, but the deal breaker is that I already have a car for long trips. We take a super crew f150 which seats 6 and carries lots of junk for us.
It is more expensive than outlander and had same issue for cold weather in town. If it was our only vehicle maybe. I actually was cross shopping the Pacifica and f150 when I got the truck. It was less than 30k for truck with 14k miles on it. A phev Pacifica was much more expensive.
me want BEV, me have no 60k USD for Ioniq 5,
me ask toyota about Prius prime phev, TOYOTA says no plan
me back to borrow mom's ICE car
because my dad blew up my (and mom's) savings to build a house -___-
hopefully the battery factories will be in full production this year, so more and more brands would be able to manufacture cars here, thus pressuring BEV to be lower priced.
PHEV would be ideal for me due to i mostly only drive less than 20 km a month. and only go long trips, hundreds of KMs (with no charging infra) a few times a year. but toyota being toyota, probably they would drag their feet forever
me ask toyota about Prius prime phev, TOYOTA says no plan
me back to borrow mom's ICE car
because my dad blew up my (and mom's) savings to build a house -___-
hopefully the battery factories will be in full production this year, so more and more brands would be able to manufacture cars here, thus pressuring BEV to be lower priced.
PHEV would be ideal for me due to i mostly only drive less than 20 km a month. and only go long trips, hundreds of KMs (with no charging infra) a few times a year. but toyota being toyota, probably they would drag their feet forever
Man, that new Prius looks badass to me. Are they not shipping it to your end of the world?
Man, that new Prius looks badass to me. Are they not shipping it to your end of the world?
due to our very high import tax (IIRC, 100%), only "high class" vehicles gets imported here like KIA EV6, Tesla (various models), porsche (various models), etc.
While most cars need to be manufactured locally in indonesia. to avoid the very high import tax.
currently, toyota still hasnt imported prius, and hasnt announced any plan to manufacture and sell prius here.
although, its maybe because toyota is till waiting for battery plants (LG, CATL, britishvolt) to be fully running in indonesia. just pure speculation
Some people don't like the new design because it's not as roomy as the previous model.Man, that new Prius looks badass to me. Are they not shipping it to your end of the world?
Apparently the old Prius offered more space than you'd think it would have.
There were several Prius models, I think it depends on which one you compare with? Either way, it looks like a pretty solid offering IMO. And honestly, I'm over listening to Americans cry into their sugary caffeinated drinks about how cars aren't big enough.
I personally believe the US needs to STFU about "needing" big fat cars; this whole era of bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger is patently insane even before EVs showed up. The modern ICE pickup trucks are getting to the point where the factory hood line can be higher than most adult women and weighing two and three tons even before being saddled with batteries and electric motors. And for what? A single adult to drive 50 miles round trip daily direction to their cubicle? Oh but we need that "truck bed" four times a year when all your bros go out camping or something. Cuz, you know, a hatchback couldn't hold that 96 gallon YETI cooler full of beer and hot dogs.
/Soapbox
Well EVs probably give new life to those gigantic trucks.
In 2008 when oil went over $100 and there were predictions of $200 oil in the not too distant future, sales of SUVs and big trucks plummeted. In fact the Hummer brand was discontinued then.
Now, big EV trucks don't require $200 at the gas pump and Hummer is back as an EV, though a very big and heavy EV -- probably waste of batteries since they could have built 3 mid or compact EV SUVs with all the battery capacity in a Hummer EV.
In 2008 when oil went over $100 and there were predictions of $200 oil in the not too distant future, sales of SUVs and big trucks plummeted. In fact the Hummer brand was discontinued then.
Now, big EV trucks don't require $200 at the gas pump and Hummer is back as an EV, though a very big and heavy EV -- probably waste of batteries since they could have built 3 mid or compact EV SUVs with all the battery capacity in a Hummer EV.
Holy Molly.
Turns out in my region 15 dollars can get gas for 1-2 weeks. But for BEV, it can be for 1-2 months.
Turns out in my region 15 dollars can get gas for 1-2 weeks. But for BEV, it can be for 1-2 months.
They are really good for killing pedestrians as well. You might not even notice when you hit them!
I find my truck very useful. I had to buy new tires after my last big trip in a smaller crossover. I had 4 bikes on hitch rack and a box on top and it made it sit so low in suspension it ruined the tires. You need air bags for that. I put stiffer springs on half way through the trip. The truck handles it easily. I drive it fifty percent of the time with a load. Otherwise I drive a smaller lighter vehicle. I agree that commuting in trucks is silly but they really are handy.
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The EU and UK are peeved about the Inflation Reduction Act and it appears their main problem with it are the EV subsidies.
It would force car manufacturers in those countries to build up battery manufacturing and component sourcing in the US, though I thought that the content requirements allowed countries with which US had trade treaties to meet those requirements
Maybe NAFTA countries are okay, so if Canada or Mexico wanted to go heavily into battery manufacturing, they could do so.
They're also not too happy with the Chips act and the Buy America push from the Biden administration. The dirty little secret is that Biden has kept a lot of the tariffs Trump first imposed on the EU and China.
It would force car manufacturers in those countries to build up battery manufacturing and component sourcing in the US, though I thought that the content requirements allowed countries with which US had trade treaties to meet those requirements
Maybe NAFTA countries are okay, so if Canada or Mexico wanted to go heavily into battery manufacturing, they could do so.
They're also not too happy with the Chips act and the Buy America push from the Biden administration. The dirty little secret is that Biden has kept a lot of the tariffs Trump first imposed on the EU and China.
Ya the inflation reduction act cannot apply to manufacturing in Canada and Mexico as that would be a violation of the trade agreement. Of course the US often doesn't give a shit and applies illegal tariffs that get battled out in court.
No wonder the BEV supply chain investment in Indonesia is slowing down.
Biden's "made in America" move does work
Biden's "made in America" move does work
Does Indonesia have a lot of lithium or cobalt?
Seems like China has kind of secured big supply chains for those, as well as processing.
WaPo has a big article about the chaos behind the scenes at Tesla in their FSD development.
First, engineers resisted removal of radar and Musk overruled them. There wasn't some engineering support for the decision.
Second, the development approach is chaotic and scattershot.
apple.news
Third, removal of radar led to real world results.
Tesla was also sensitive to online reactions and adjusted FSD software to respond to criticism.
So not real improvements, just a hardcoded workaround for a specific location.
First, engineers resisted removal of radar and Musk overruled them. There wasn't some engineering support for the decision.
Second, the development approach is chaotic and scattershot.
How Elon Musk knocked Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ off course — The Washington Post
Before he took over Twitter he wanted to make Tesla cars drive themselves.
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Third, removal of radar led to real world results.
Tesla was also sensitive to online reactions and adjusted FSD software to respond to criticism.
So not real improvements, just a hardcoded workaround for a specific location.
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