Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2024]
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DavidGraham
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Ok, this game can run 1440p-2160p at 60 FPS on console with the UE5 engine and looks great.
What is the problem with other developers?
This game doesn’t use nanite, lumen or virtual shadow maps. All of those technologies are expensive.
It has rtx gi that’s customized and seems to run well, but it resolves very slowly on console.
However, there is spectacular track destruction and lighting. No Lumen and Nanite. If this is the price to run in 4K/60FPS on the UE5 console, then it's fine, let other developers follow their example in multiplayer games
davis.anthony
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But they don't run 4k and in PS5's case, doesn't hold a locked 60fps.
I’m not criticizing. Just explaining the difference in resolution, frame times from other ue5 games. The Finals is a great game. One of the better multiplayer shooters since the BR boom. Their technical choices seem very well suited to the game.
Another next gen only game where the Series S has a respectable and robust version of the game, and where the Series X has a notable advantage over the PS5 in stress points (including during bandwidth heavy alpha blending).
One swallow doesn't make a summer, but Series X and particularly Series S are perhaps finally enjoying having next gen games leaning into their strengths.
Flappy Pannus
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It can take 10-20 seconds to properly adjust the lighting to reflect the destructed environment on PS5 though. That's what, an order of magnitude slower (or more) than what Lumen can do?
Every game doesn't need Lumen/Nanite, and for a competitive shooter this was very likely the right choice, but they haven't found some amazing optimization that makes Lumen irrelevant on console.
The time required for adjustment depends on how much time they are willing to allocate for GI updates at a certain resolution of probes. Clearly, they are willing to spend far less time compared to what we've seen in the Metro, for example.
Regarding the choice of HW RT probes GI instead of SW Lumen, it likely comes down to how shading and tracing are managed with Lumen (as it requires interior walls to be modular and thick, which might have been too late and expensive to redo during the transition to UE5). Another concern may relate to how they would manage procedural destructions with SW Lumen, given that SDFs are baked, then merged into the global SDF, require cards and all that stuff.
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Unjustified use of the term remaster IMO. The visual improvements are barely noticeable.
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cheapchips
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I posted the same on Discord. Special or Complete PS5 Edition would be better, but there you go.
It still looks fantastic though. Olie showed a tunnel/underpass that had me wishing for better GI, but then immediately showed the more typical and lush outdoor area. I'm playing through Uncharted 4 at the moment, and even there, Naughty Dog have the look and interaction with foliage nailed down in a really pleasing way.
It still looks fantastic though. Olie showed a tunnel/underpass that had me wishing for better GI, but then immediately showed the more typical and lush outdoor area. I'm playing through Uncharted 4 at the moment, and even there, Naughty Dog have the look and interaction with foliage nailed down in a really pleasing way.
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