Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2023]
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If Sony decides to be the only legitimate console player left when it comes to 3rd party games, they won't really have to worry about any competition. It'll be exactly like the older days ...
Sure thing but anyone who wanted this to happen shouldn't go around complaining about the end result of exclusivity appearing in all directions rather than their preferred direction. PC users should get used to AAA games skipping their platform of choice all because they selfishly desired the industry to splinter off into their own bubbles ...
If console vendors don't have parity in the tools used between their own platforms and PC anymore, there will be even stronger incentives to further distance themselves with respect to PC in hardware design and developers will be forced to create new and more incompatible tools between the different platforms which will only perpetuate more exclusivity ...
It's equally as likely for publishers to just drop anything else that's not their lead platform for a particular project ...Also devs better not blame us when publishers demand they make two very different versions.
I think he did, deliberately ...
davis.anthony
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This isn't really a DF thread now.
Flappy Pannus
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These two statements seem to be in somewhat of a conflict. I can't see myself ditching a game entirely because it had poor AA. I mean I would love if Arkham Knight for example, somehow got a DLSS mod to remove all that shitty specular flickering, but I sure as heck am not going to pass over a game entirely because it simply utilized the popular AA methods at the time. I mean that's a ton of gaming history you have to sweep under the rug, AA sucked in most games when we got specular shaders until TAA matured, and there's little you can do without massive downsampling which is performance prohibitive.
Shadows, even with RT (ray reconstruction notwithstanding) have always had accuracy issues, but I just find a mere 2-3 years ago such an aggressive cutoff for nixing them entirely - like sure, games in the 90's, but 2020?! I just find the preference to have characters and environments appear to be floating in mid-air rather that accept some limitations of accuracy odd, but different strokes I guess.
I feel the Chips n Cheese article did a decent enough job disproving this myth. A game running better on AMD hardware does not mean that it's 'not running properly' on Nvidia. Nobody ever seems to suggest the opposite when Nvidia GPU's run better than AMD equivalents. :/
Flappy Pannus
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Yeah, from a technical perspective it's all very interesting, but I just can't see it really becoming a selling point. Ray traced lighting on top of old models and textures only brings you so much, and the fact that Remix can only work with DX8 games further exacerbates the disparity between art assets and tech. The art assets can be updated as well, but that's still extremely time consuming, especially when left up to modders who are doing it in their spare time. There are also some gameplay conceits from the time of those games which could use some updating, which really only proper studio remasters can do.
In case you didn't get the memo the entire tech enthusiast community is showing a clear case of playing favouritism since most of them are willing witch hunt/bully developers into supporting a certain vendor's non-standard proprietary technology ...
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Has the ghosting gotten worse or has it always been like this?
Ghosting is different. But there was always ghosting with Overdrive, especially with lower FPS.
So, then Pathtracing is a viable option. Just that nVidia hardware is so much more superior and console players can play just fine with 480p/60FPS (PS2 style).
When NVIDIA equivalent GPUs run 30% better, yes, people do. Don't try to paint this as a double standard when there isn't one.
DavidGraham
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Nobody cares, PC market is thriving now more than ever, and both console makers have a deep interest in porting their games to PCs. The situation won't change much. Of course this will break backward compatibility which is something you always bring to the discussion, but hey, if you don't care about it anymore, I won't.
Of course a developer has every right to ensure the playability of their game on old hardware, but they also can't escape the responsibility of carering to the majority of their target hardware. Doing one thing doesn't negate the other.
Of course it doesn't. But poor GPU utilisation as indicated by abnormally low power draw does.
It may be the case that a game can be properly optimised for only one of the major IHV's at a time. And if a game chooses AMD to optimise to then that is absolutely fine. But let's not pretend this is a well optimised game on Nvidia GPU's when the power draw figures clearly show otherwise.
The power draw figures I've seen as standard in Starfield are not dissimilar to what I see in Ratchet & Clank when I'm VRAM limited and losing a good chunck of performance as a result. Obviously VRAM limitations aren't the issue with Starfield, but the GPU is underutilised in a similar way.
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So it appears Cyberpunk now supports Opacity Micro Maps (OMM) for Ada GPUs, this makes scenes with foliage run 33% faster on Ada GPUs compared to the previous Path Tracing version.
And? If pubs will drop PC so easily..because let's be real, that's what you're saying.. then it's clear that PC never had this amazing power to dictate what developers were ever going to do on any grand scale to begin with and thus why even have this conversation? If Nvidia is such a big bully trying to insert their horribly limiting proprietary tech into the gaming world then why don't Sony just build that exotic dream machine and take control of the industry?
I'd love to watch them try. PS2 was sailing sky high, and PS3 quickly brought Sony back down to earth... Go ahead and get cocky again. I'll enjoy the show.
I think it's just the randomness of the movement. If you look to 22:00 the RR shot is moving while the other isn't.
Why are you surprised that enthusiasts are excited about cutting edge tech? If they were happy with the lowest common denominator they wouldn’t be enthusiasts right?
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