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Yes, i remember Molyneux promising the world and underdelivering.
Certain 360 games to require HDD??
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Yes, i remember Molyneux promising the world and underdelivering.
Mintmaster
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Hard drives have little use in gaming aside from permanent storage. The streaming argument is sillier than it looks.
A hard drive isn't fast enough to do same frame or next frame loading. There isn't enough time to accomodate several 10 ms accesses. If you can look ahead 10+ frames ahead to see what's needed in the RAM and get it there from the hard drive, then you can just as easily look a few seconds ahead and stream from the optical media. There's almost nothing in gaming whose needs lie between the two.
The purpose of the harddrive is for downloadable content and saving games. Maybe PVR as well when IPTV rolls around.
A hard drive isn't fast enough to do same frame or next frame loading. There isn't enough time to accomodate several 10 ms accesses. If you can look ahead 10+ frames ahead to see what's needed in the RAM and get it there from the hard drive, then you can just as easily look a few seconds ahead and stream from the optical media. There's almost nothing in gaming whose needs lie between the two.
The purpose of the harddrive is for downloadable content and saving games. Maybe PVR as well when IPTV rolls around.
Can you be more specific?
Part of the reasons he choose the XBOX back then was the HDD, which enabled the chance for many ideas that are irrelevant to power.
New hard-drive rules: MMO dev's are allowed to require a harddrive, with the caveat that it must be clearly labelled on the game cover.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6823&Itemid=2
Given that some MMO's have already done this it seems as though MS are tightening the definition of a policy already in place.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6823&Itemid=2
Given that some MMO's have already done this it seems as though MS are tightening the definition of a policy already in place.
Some slides from Gamefest 2007
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161942
Streaming assets from a remote server is a pretty interesting idea.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161942
Streaming assets from a remote server is a pretty interesting idea.
I think that MSF refers to a file that holds all game data in it. So a game that requires 10GB creates a 10GB MSF file on HDD to reserve the area on installation. It's like a virtual HDD file for VMware.
Interesting take on different size hard drives.
From 1up
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161942
From 1up
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161942
I can't imagine this being too well received, if games start using up lots of valuable storage space when it's such a paltry amount to begin with. I suppose from MS's POV, the XB360 HDD isn't really there for content, as that's what the PC's for, right? Though can you buy over Live and put content on a Media PC/server?
As 60 GB, if not 80 GB, is the most affordable, sensible capacity for HDDs, will they roll out an updated XB360? Perhaps the 65nm versions come with larger HDD?
As 60 GB, if not 80 GB, is the most affordable, sensible capacity for HDDs, will they roll out an updated XB360? Perhaps the 65nm versions come with larger HDD?
I don't think there will be "lots" of games, just some - this is MS saying "look, we've given exceptions to the HDD use before, but here are the hard rules - MMO's only, thanks". As they point out, devs are free to use set the rules for the amount of space they use but "if you start requiring 30GB then your market just gets smaller" - basically, keep it small and sensible and people will actually use it. Nothing they are suggesting indicates setting larger hard drives, quite the opposite in fact.
Currently, no. If you buy or rent content on Live Marketplace it can only be used on a 360 hard drive or memory unit. There was always talk about using Live for remote storage, but I'm not sure if that will ever happen. There's another potential storage device: Windows Home Server. However, so far it looks like it's use for the Xbox is just for streaming content. It doesn't look like you'll be able to store your Live Marketplace content there. So, the only way to archive that content is by purchasing another 360 hard drive to download the data to.
Tommy McClain
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That is colossally stupid and something MS needs to be working to correct. That's a key integration point in their entire strategy, I really can't believe its a situation that is allowed to exist.
Is it because of manipulation of the rental content? That content would be easier to manipulate on a PC, so they have licensing agreements that prevent it?
Surely the entire purpose is to get people to use the Live! Marketplace to purchase media, and the more media they purchase the better. People need a place to store that media, preventing that seems to prevent mass purchases.
I don't think it's colossally stupid and I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal. The reason behind it is that it's a closed system. And they don't want that content on unprotected systems that they can't control. It could get stolen, copied illegally, whatever. It's not just about media content either(rental or purchase). It pertains to everything downloaded off Live Marketplace be it Themes, Gamerpics, Demos, Live Arcade titles and yes, Media. BTW, people who have a 360 have a place to store that media and if they run out of room they can purchase another 20gb drive or upgrade to the new 120gb drive. So I don't see how that's preventing mass purchases.
In my personal opinion it would be nice to get that data onto some other storage device, but I'm not going to spread doom and gloom just because I have a different point of view. I will say this though, I think the Windows Home Server is a step in the right direction. But I think it would have been cooler if they had gone with a system based on the Xbox 360 architecture instead. But I could see how porting the Home Server OS over to it could have taken too long. Oh well it's fun to speculate.
Tommy McClain
It's only for MMO's, and presumably only a small amount at that (2-4 GB's I'd guess). Though granted, on 20GB (whic really breaks down to about 13 for the user) that is a lot.
I just doubt it'll be a huge problem. Very very few will actually be playing more than one MMO heavily, even on PC. Currently, there are none available on 360.
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If MS had gone with a built in HDD (as they did for the original Xbox), they wouldn't be in the position of allowing users to set their HDD storage capacity to fit their needs.
What Sony did with the PS3 seems like a good compromise for users - every unit has a HDD, and users can upgrade to any size they want if they're prepared to pay and fit the drive. The downside is all on Sony's end - they lose money providing the HDD in the first place, and don't get to mug the user for storage upgrades like MS do.
If you cram your DVD with assets in the first place, I don't see why an MMO couldn't sit comfortably on the 20GB HDD - even after several major updates. If you wanted to subscribe to several, and download videos and demos etc, you'd probably want a bigger HDD though.
What Sony did with the PS3 seems like a good compromise for users - every unit has a HDD, and users can upgrade to any size they want if they're prepared to pay and fit the drive. The downside is all on Sony's end - they lose money providing the HDD in the first place, and don't get to mug the user for storage upgrades like MS do.
If you cram your DVD with assets in the first place, I don't see why an MMO couldn't sit comfortably on the 20GB HDD - even after several major updates. If you wanted to subscribe to several, and download videos and demos etc, you'd probably want a bigger HDD though.
Another division in Sony that does another business that uses 2.5" 80GB HDD may already be benefiting from PS3, or vice versa, though.
archangelmorph
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I really wouldn't like to sit down for 3 hours waiting for an install of 20+GBs of Oblivion 2 to finish before I could even play..
& it would be even WORSE if I only had a Core!!
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