AMD: Volcanic Islands R1100/1200 (8***/9*** series) Speculation/ Rumour Thread

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  1. trinibwoy

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    Haha, please. If AMD lowers prices it's because they think it's in their best interest not yours. There's no entry for "customer appreciation" on a balance sheet.

    Price is really the only weapon AMD has left though. They're just hoping that nVidia doesn't join them in a race to the bottom. Take away the $100 discount and all of a sudden the 290 story looks very different.

    The 780 has to drop in price though. That $100 gap provides a lot of breathing room for third party overclocked 290's with better coolers that will stomp on it even more. nVidia must be pissed.
     
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    This has to be one of the strangest releases I've seen. Anandtech outright recommends against buying the card while other sites give it an editor's choice endorsement. Some sites say it's unbearably loud while others call it negligibly so. I wonder if these are signs of IHV preferences creeping into reviews. Or maybe some people are just deaf :lol:
     
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    That's a rather peculiar argument. Every card's story would be very different if it were $100 more expensive.
     
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    Yes, but that wasn't my point. My point was that AMD is relying very heavily on pricing to generate interest. The problem is that price is not an inherent quality of the product and can be easily matched by a competitor. Contrast that with other releases where a product earns a premium on its own merits.

    The 290 only stands up well if nVidia chooses not to follow them down that path, which of course remains to be seen. At this point it's obvious that with the same disregard for power consumption and noise GK110 will be much faster than Hawaii.

    Will nVidia play that game? I hope so cause I wouldn't mind a dirt cheap fully enabled 780 with a DCIII cooler.
     
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    Amazing how much noisier a card sounds when it's not your favourite IHV who made it. Even at barely scraping past the 5870, with astronomical price, power draw and noise, the 480 wasn't explicitly recommended against.


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    What a difference a couple of dB makes for this super quiet 55.1 dB 690 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/...view-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/16

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    Even when you are unbearably noisy you can always look at the competition's even noisier solution and draw attention to that instead, right?

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    No direct recommendation against this 590 either at a mere $700 and off-the-chart noise. Does it no longer sound so bad because it's a dual card? Or does it not matter because it's an Nvidia card making the noise?
     
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    So you didn't see that those measurements cannot be compared since the methodology obviously changed (different case, different measurement device, different distance to the noise source)?
    Example:
    5870 (back then): 59.3 dbA
    5870 (now): 51.6 dbA

    And you should also take into account that the importance of noise can change over time. Fact is, the cards are very loud according to today's standards. Dual-GPU cards are a different matter since they just generate so much heat, that you have to make some sacrifices there.

    And btw, why do you have to troll and insinuate bias without having and having considered all the relevant information? That is not needed. I would rather be concerned with Anandtechs AMD-Center.
     
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    They are comparing noise between dual GPU cards, which the 290/290X are not :roll:
    And yes, the GTX480 was slammed for its noise and power consumption at the time. Please dont try to rewrite history :roll:
     
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    Tolerable noise or not, both the 290 and the 290X are begging for 3rd party coolers.
    I thought the 290 would have the OEM's avail to apply 3rd party coolers from the start.

    I couldn't care less about power consumption during high loads because I doubt there are many gamers out there willing to buy a $400 graphics card who are limited to a power supply below ~600W, which should handle this card perfectly.
    It's not the extra ~50W for the 8-10 weekly gaming hours I do that will make any substantial difference in the yearly electricity bill.
     
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    AT reviews went down the drain the moment they started justifying the $1K pricetag for the 690 and Titan.
     
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    Well it averages to around 21,5% but many have 23-25%
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    I'm not familiar with French stores but in Finland, with 24% VAT, cheapest R9 280X is 280.80€ including shipping, which is $378.91
     
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    Keep in mind the competitive landscape has changed quite a lot since the GTX 590/ HD 6990, the noise gulf between the R9 290 and the GTX 780 is much larger than it was then
    (and enthusiasts have become somewhat spoiled by the GTX 780/Titan first-party coolers, although there is a probably a significant materials cost to Nvidia for that).
     
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    His shock wasn't about 20% being low in the EU. But that in comparison to the highest tax rates in the US where only 20% of the states have a State + City tax of 10% or more. And only 1 state has sales tax for state + city over 12%.

    It is indeed quite shocking for most Americans when they learn how much Europeans have to pay in sales tax (VAT).

    Also why prices after currency conversion aren't comparable between the US (no tax) and EU (VAT included).

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    For me it would be the other way. I have a stock CPU cooler and when I had two 7970's in Crossfire the CPU cooler drowned them out. I should replace the CPU cooler, but have been lazy about it. I doubt the noise of any GPU would bother me while gaming.
     
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    Magic 3rd party coolers

    I have seem quotes like this one littering the forums and follow-ups to reviews and this begs the following question(s):

    First, are the AMD design teams really incompetent in designing proper cooling?

    Because statements like "begging for 3rd party coolers" seem to imply that they are.

    Second, how will these "3rd party coolers" manage to both lower the noise and at the same time not have the GPUs throttle?
     
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    Irrelevant, we're talking about noise plain and simple. If this 290's is unacceptable now then all those cards above it (what's that, about half of them?) must have been unacceptable back then.

    Has the noise changed due to there being two GPU's? No, the noise is the same regardless. If one card cannot be recommended simply because of noise - like this 290 was - then everything above it cannot be recommended for the same reason. No if's or buts.

    The significant cost was to the buyer, something that Ryan seems to think is quite ok even though you could slap a $60 aftermarket MK26 cooler on this 290 which would make it blow past even Titan while being much cooler and quieter.

    http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25180380&postcount=46
     
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    It's simple. They're bigger, badder and more expensive. The Titan cooler for example is a pretty serious piece of work.
     
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    Exactly...back then. Tolerance for noise at a given performance level can change over time. Therefore it is relevant.

    And you still ignore the different results for the 5870, hinting at changed testing methods. ALL other cards tested back then would be much much quieter if measured the same way the 290(X) are measured today.
     
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    Regarding 3rd party coolers

    The cooler on my HIS IceQ HD 7950 gives me cooler temp's and quiter sound than stock cooling. And it does that while exhausting the air.

    So, yeah, a lot is possible. Imo this is something of a tradition for a lot of us. Those of us with more humble cases, and who don't modify stock cards cooling on our own, watch AMD roll out new cards and then we wait for, and compare, what the independent vendors can do with the design.

    That was my process for my MSI 5770 Hawk, my Gigabyte HD 6870 Windforce, and now with my HIS card.

    Tom's Hardware seemed to love the HIS design.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-review-benchmark,3207-2.html

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-review-benchmark,3207-10.html

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-review-benchmark,3207-11.html

    It blows away the reference card in terms of temp's and noise, even when the HIS is running at factory overclocked speeds while the reference card runs at stock speeds.

    I hope HIS doesn't abandon that design. It's bulky but it does it all.
     
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    Toms Hardware Guide have hard evidence of just that:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-review-benchmark,3659-19.html

    As trinibwoy said, these high-end third-party coolers are considerable pieces of engineering, and they can also assume you have decent case cooling and so don't need the video card to dump all its heat outside the case.
     
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