All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[temesgen]

Sony getting its head out of its ass after last generation ? They did a complete 180 from last generation they weren't late , they didn't tell you to get a second job , they had the more powerful cheaper consoles.

Another way to look at your characterization is to consider what that suggest about MS's achievement with the 360... If things are as you say then 360 and PS3 ending up virtually tied after all those years is really eyebrow raising. In that sense your comment taken at face value and in line with other things you've said "MS did everything right with 360"; I'd have to conclude that the 360 under performed when in reality MS did a very good job building on the vision laid with the OG XBOX and sold a lot of hardware and Sony was able to win back consumers after stumbling horribly out of the gate.

Simply stated what you wrote shouldn't characterize Sony for the entire generation in fact it doesn't characterize them for most of it and shouldn't anymore than the original XB1 vision should forever stain the XB1.

 

[Clukos]

It seems PS4 standalone 500 GB model will be 299 euros in France tomorrow until Christmas. Not sure at 100% +and not sure it will be the same things in other country in Europe.

Yes, both black and white models are 299 https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0132JINQI/?tag=b3dfr-21

 

[chris1515]

http://www.afr.com/technology/gadge...s-ps4-stays-ahead-of-the-pack-20151206-glgyc3

Sony had the best Black Friday of Playstation history worldwide

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=188244410&postcount=11

Other surprising tidbits include:

1. Germany is now their largest market in the EU
   
   
2. They would consider 2.5 million VR sales (all VR platforms including PSVR) in year 1 to be a success.
   
   
3. They do not expect PS4 to outsell PS2 LTD but do expect it to keep pace with PS2 for at least the first 5 years.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

http://www.afr.com/technology/gadge...s-ps4-stays-ahead-of-the-pack-20151206-glgyc3

Some dubious claims, like

The PS4's performance has been boosted by growth in new markets such as the Middle East and China, after a 14-year ban on sales there was lifted in March.

Sales in China haven't been incredible. I think 400k maximum (wasn't it 500k total XB1 and PS4 in China with 100k at least being X1s?)

Germany is now their largest market in the EU

Probably not much in it between UK and Germany, unless Germany is growing even faster (I guess some UK gamers are buying XB1's unlike Germans!). 2 million PS4's in UK as of May 5th. 1.6 million PS4's in Germany end of March. The claim of the article that gamers are switching from PC to PS4 is similarly unsubstantiated editorial.

 

[chris1515]

Some dubious claims, like
Sales in China haven't been incredible. I think 400k maximum (wasn't it 500k total XB1 and PS4 in China with 100k at least being X1s?)
Probably not much in it between UK and Germany, unless Germany is growing even faster (I guess some UK gamers are buying XB1's unlike Germans!). 2 million PS4's in UK as of May 5th. 1.6 million PS4's in Germany end of March. The claim of the article that gamers are switching from PC to PS4 is similarly unsubstantiated editorial.

It is true for PC player in Germany, sales of consoles were not very good before. Some PC player are switching to consoles.

And Middle East PS4 sales are very good...

Another things Sony expect PS4 to keep pace with PS2 for three to five years... Not five years like the quote from GAF user.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Some dubious claims, like
Sales in China haven't been incredible. I think 400k maximum (wasn't it 500k total XB1 and PS4 in China with 100k at least being X1s?)

They're not attributing significant sales to the Middle East or China just that global sales have been boostedby these new markets. I don't think this is dubious at all but perhaps it depends on what you take from "boosted". What we know of Middle East and China sales certainly doesn't conjour the image of Sony dumping nitrous oxide into the sales fuel line!

 

[chris1515]

They're not attributing significant sales to the Middle East or China just that global sales have been boostedby these new markets. I don't think this is dubious at all but perhaps it depends on what you take from "boosted". What we know of Middle East and China sales certainly doesn't conjour the image of Sony dumping nitrous oxide into the sales fuel line!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=978374

Middle east sales are great, 4 times more than PS3 in the same timeframe.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106969

The sales were of more than 1 million in September

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Middle east sales are great, 4 times more than PS3 in the same timeframe.

This is kind of my point. PS4 sales were about to cross the 1 million point back in January but region has a combined populatin higher that the US and includes some of the most affluent countries in the world. So I stand by not "significant sales". Take the itsby bitsy United Kingdom: 64 million population and 2 million PS4 sales as of May 2015 plus we make one hell of a cup of tea!

Rule Britannia!

 

[Deleted member 86764]

Some dubious claims, like
Sales in China haven't been incredible. I think 400k maximum (wasn't it 500k total XB1 and PS4 in China with 100k at least being X1s?)
Probably not much in it between UK and Germany, unless Germany is growing even faster (I guess some UK gamers are buying XB1's unlike Germans!). 2 million PS4's in UK as of May 5th. 1.6 million PS4's in Germany end of March. The claim of the article that gamers are switching from PC to PS4 is similarly unsubstantiated editorial.

Well, Germany has both a more populous nation and a considerably better economy than the UK, so it makes some sense that they'd be the biggest European market.

 

[chris1515]

This is kind of my point. PS4 sales were about to cross the 1 million point back in January but region has a combined populatin higher that the US and includes some of the most affluent countries in the world. So I stand by not "significant sales". Take the itsby bitsy United Kingdom: 64 million population and 2 million PS4 sales as of May 2015 plus we make one hell of a cup of tea!

Rule Britannia!

I agree with you but adding all emergent market sales and at the end it is not a negligible market. Sony said they have 80% marketshare in many emergent market...

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I agree with you but adding emergent market and at the end it is not a negligible maket. Sony said they have 80% marketshare in many emergent market...

Yes, hence the use of the word "boosted" which is mostly what I was addressing in Shifty's post. It's a welcome boost, albit a little one. But if growth continues then the Middle East could be a huge market for PlayStation.

 

[chris1515]

Germany it is not a bigger console market than UK, it is a bigger PS4 market than UK... One of the worst market for Xbox One is Europe...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

They're not attributing significant sales to the Middle East or China just that global sales have been boostedby these new markets.

It's implied. In an article about record sales, they highlight these other markets with no reference to numbers. The grey market for PS2 in China may have been every bit as large as PS4's legitimate sales there for all we know.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=978374
Middle east sales are great, 4 times more than PS3 in the same timeframe.

Relative metrics. What actual difference is it having on number of PS4's installed? 20% more? 10%? Your 1 million figure suggest nearer 3%. The real reason Ps4 is selling so fast isn't because of other territories increasing the market size, but because the existing market just really likes PS4 and all the conventional territories are buying it en masse. The emerging markets still represent a small piece of the pie and aren't making the difference between reasonable seller and gangbuster.

Well, Germany has both a more populous nation and a considerably better economy than the UK, so it makes some sense that they'd be the biggest European market.

It's always been more populous and richer than UK, but UK has always spent more on console gaming. Gaming is a larger part of our culture, with more developers and higher relative expenditure. For Germany to overtake UK as largest market for console would represent quite a shift in German culture. Without real data to support the claim, it's not something I'd take at face value. As I say though, what numbers I can find suggest it may be just a little ahead. Certainly won't be way out in front unless, again, there's been a marked change in Germany gaming industry.

 

[chris1515]

Relative metrics. What actual difference is it having on number of PS4's installed? 20% more? 10%? Your 1 million figure suggest nearer 3%. The real reason Ps4 is selling so fast isn't because of other territories increasing the market size, but because the existing market just really likes PS4 and all the conventional territories are buying it en masse. The emerging markets still represent a small piece of the pie and aren't making the difference between reasonable seller and gangbuster.
It's always been more populous and richer than UK, but UK has always spent more on console gaming. Gaming is a larger part of our culture, with more developers and higher relative expenditure. For Germany to overtake UK as largest market for console would represent quite a shift in German culture. Without real data to support the claim, it's not something I'd take at face value. As I say though, what numbers I can find suggest it may be just a little ahead. Certainly won't be way out in front unless, again, there's been a marked change in Germany gaming industry.

We agree for emergent market I just said it is part of the PS4 success not a huge one but a part too. Add China, India, South America, Eatern Europe and other emergent market and it is a better to have success there than not at all.

UK is a bigger consoles market than Germany, 378000 was the number of Xbox One is march 2015...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

We agree for emergent market I just said it is part of the PS4 success not a huge one but a part too. Add China, India, South America, Eatern Europe and other emergent market and it is a better to have success there than not at all.

Indeed. My point is simply that the article implies attribution of PS4's success to emergent markets more than mass appeal in the existing markets. The existing market represents a good 90% of PS4's sales, meaning the high sales rate is because it's the right product at the right price for these markets and not because new markets are expanding the sales base and increasing sell through beyond PS2's sales. A quick Google suggests PS4 sold 30M in the time PS2 sold 25M. The emergent markets don't account for that extra 5 million.

 

[Shortbread]

Poor DieH@rd over at GAF... :neutral:

Anyhow, NPD this week is going to be very interesting.

Predictions.
PS4: 2-2.3 million
XB1: 1.7-1.8 million
Wii U: 230-245k

 

[Deleted member 11852]

It's implied. In an article about record sales, they highlight these other markets with no reference to numbers. The grey market for PS2 in China may have been every bit as large as PS4's legitimate sales there for all we know.

You're reading more into the article than I am. These markets get a mention because without them Sony would not be announcing 30m PlayStation 4 sales, it'd be a far less interesting 28.x million. In an article about sales I expect citing new markets that have helped sales cross a milestone.

 

[Shortbread]

Amazon's current Best Sellers as of 10:45am est.
#1 PS4 Battlefront Bundle (so it begins... lol)
#3 PS4 Uncharted Collection Bundle
#27 XB1 Gears of War Bundle
#54 XB1 Three Games Bundle

 

[DrJay24]

So I guess MS is conceding December to Sony?

 

[DieH@rd]

Yearly results are also updated. Amazon has now sold more Uncharted Collection bundles than Halo 5 and Fallout 4 Xbone retail copies [regular editions].

Amazon's current Best Sellers as of 10:45am est.
#1 PS4 Battlefront Bundle (so it begins... lol)
#3 PS4 Uncharted Collection Bundle
#27 XB1 Gears of War Bundle
#54 XB1 Three Games Bundle

Yup. $300 deal has kicked in, and SW hype is pushing higher Battlefront sales.

Poor DieH@rd over at GAF... :neutral:

It will pass. GAF is historically good place for occasional black humour.

So I guess MS is conceding December to Sony?

Maybe they are aiming to offer something that will start later and last until Christmas [PS4 deal ends on Dec19].