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The market didn't shrink, it grew. I am not sure why you guys assume the growth of smartphone gaming somehow came at the expense of the console market. The console market sold roughly 260-280 million consoles which is the best gen ever in terms of units moved. That is, if you count the Wii but then again if you didn't then the smartphone argument would be kind of moot.
Its like saying I don't have to buy a Porsche now, because I can just use my go-kart.
Sony could have did alot of things. Its all moot because what we end with is a PS3 at 85 million in units sales while the 360 sold roughly the same and the Wii sold 100 million. That represents about 185 million of potential sales lost minus the multiple console owners and buyers of the Wii that may have never chosen the PS3 and 360 as viable alternative (and that number is not 100 million).
And I am not sure why you think Bluray matters to the PS3 as it didn't matter to the people that chose the 360 over the PS3. Cheaper price point with an earlier launch because of the lack of BluRay wouldn't have led to a PS3 with less than 85 million units sold.
Ah the Wii. Yes. It was the only console that really did expand the market in any meaningful way, probably more so with the female public and people buying it for Wii Fit or whatever it was called. I think more so than ever did we see a console in the Wii attract a market that was not into gaming at all.
Not all consoles were attracting the same audience.
Sony and Microsoft have been very hardcore gamer specific. Sony a bit less as their inclusion of a Bluray drive meant that they also attracted people who bought the console with zero interest in gaming. But on the whole, the gaming market has shrunk (meaning the market of buyers who buy a console and games). Actually, while we're at it; The PS2 being a DVD player at the time probably also meant that many people/non-gamers bought it at some phase as a DVD player. Nintendo grew the market slightly because it attracted folks outside the interest of gaming. I also think last generation was a transitioning phase; Smartphones just started to come about and the games first available were very simple ones (Angry Birds etc). With more impressive hardware coming into play, that has also changed. It has enabled a market full of non-gamers buy games without having to own a console.
It's a bit like if Sony were to suddenly build in revolutionary eBook reader into the PS4 that suddenly sees billions of passionate book readers buy consoles for it. Yes, it would increase console hardware sales, but it wouldn't increase games being sold - which is I think what we're talking about here. I think I'll stay with the argument that the PS2 had huge sales because back then, there were few alternatives to actually get your gaming fix by people with a moderate interest in gaming. Those people now days can get their fix on their smartphone, no need to buy a console anymore. So the market has shrunk by losing those folks. On the other hand, the market has grown slightly because gaming is becoming more in (perhaps also the influence by people playing games on smartphones), the growing of markets outside the ones we knew like China, India, Eastern-Countries etc. But that growing phase was always going to be a slow one.
Not all consoles were attracting the same audience.
Sony and Microsoft have been very hardcore gamer specific. Sony a bit less as their inclusion of a Bluray drive meant that they also attracted people who bought the console with zero interest in gaming. But on the whole, the gaming market has shrunk (meaning the market of buyers who buy a console and games). Actually, while we're at it; The PS2 being a DVD player at the time probably also meant that many people/non-gamers bought it at some phase as a DVD player. Nintendo grew the market slightly because it attracted folks outside the interest of gaming. I also think last generation was a transitioning phase; Smartphones just started to come about and the games first available were very simple ones (Angry Birds etc). With more impressive hardware coming into play, that has also changed. It has enabled a market full of non-gamers buy games without having to own a console.
It's a bit like if Sony were to suddenly build in revolutionary eBook reader into the PS4 that suddenly sees billions of passionate book readers buy consoles for it. Yes, it would increase console hardware sales, but it wouldn't increase games being sold - which is I think what we're talking about here. I think I'll stay with the argument that the PS2 had huge sales because back then, there were few alternatives to actually get your gaming fix by people with a moderate interest in gaming. Those people now days can get their fix on their smartphone, no need to buy a console anymore. So the market has shrunk by losing those folks. On the other hand, the market has grown slightly because gaming is becoming more in (perhaps also the influence by people playing games on smartphones), the growing of markets outside the ones we knew like China, India, Eastern-Countries etc. But that growing phase was always going to be a slow one.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Xbox/status/674589319013773312
I honestly thought XB1 Gears Bundle was $299 (still) since Black Friday...
FYI: $349 for the XB1/1TB 3 game holiday bundle. $50 dollars more isn't bad for the additional 500GB of space and two more games.
I honestly thought XB1 Gears Bundle was $299 (still) since Black Friday...
FYI: $349 for the XB1/1TB 3 game holiday bundle. $50 dollars more isn't bad for the additional 500GB of space and two more games.
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Newly updated Amazon rankings:
December:
#4 PS4 SW bundle
#12 Wii U 32GB MK8 bundle
#15 PS4 NDC bundle
#28 Xbox One GoW bundle
#55 Xbox One 1TB Holiday bundle
Entire 2015:
#9 PS4 NDC bundle
#40 Vanilla PS4
#45 Xbox One GoW bundle
#60 Xbox One AC bundle
#61 PS4 SW bundle
#85 Wii U SMW bundle
In ~26hrs NPD report for November will be out.
December:
#4 PS4 SW bundle
#12 Wii U 32GB MK8 bundle
#15 PS4 NDC bundle
#28 Xbox One GoW bundle
#55 Xbox One 1TB Holiday bundle
Entire 2015:
#9 PS4 NDC bundle
#40 Vanilla PS4
#45 Xbox One GoW bundle
#60 Xbox One AC bundle
#61 PS4 SW bundle
#85 Wii U SMW bundle
In ~26hrs NPD report for November will be out.
Are you looking at December? It's only the 9th...
I believe he's referring to November's NPD.
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Not necessarily. We should always take amazon's rankings for what they are. We need to consider that they have a relatively small marketshare, and also that retailer specific deals can greatly affect sales as well. Walmart and Target have more marketshare than Amazon and they not only had the best deals on XB1 (gift cards with XB1 purchase), MS also supplied them with more consoles than Sony (according to people who work there at GAF).
So IMO, Amazon gets a free pass for November.
So far, neither MS or Sony seem to have the upper-hand as far as deals go in December, so it would be a legitimate fail if they're wrong.
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Well his post was right under the Dec numbers, so I wasn't sure what he was referring to.
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Make sense now?
In ~26hrs NPD report for November will be out.
Make sense now?
I just had a good laugh. MS PR team really deserves a crate of great champaign. Here is their recent PR about "record breaking Black Friday sales":
A winning combination of the most critically acclaimed holiday lineup of exclusives in Xbox history,* the New Xbox One Experience complete with Backward Compatibility, and an extensive line-up of console bundles, drove record Xbox One sales in the U.S.** and Xbox Store sales worldwide, with record engagement from Xbox fans around the world*** over Black Friday week.
*Based on data via Metacritic.
**Sales period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 in the U.S., based on internal Microsoft data
*** Period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 globally, based on internal Microsoft data
Last years BF was on Nov 28.
So, this years week which includes BF day was better than last years week which does not include BF day?
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MS PR team really deserves a crate of great champaign. Here is their recent PR about "record breaking Black Friday sales":A winning combination of the most critically acclaimed holiday lineup of exclusives in Xbox history,* the New Xbox One Experience complete with Backward Compatibility, and an extensive line-up of console bundles, drove record Xbox One sales in the U.S.** and Xbox Store sales worldwide, with record engagement from Xbox fans around the world*** over Black Friday week.
*Based on data via Metacritic.
**Sales period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 in the U.S., based on internal Microsoft data
*** Period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 globally, based on internal Microsoft data
Last years BF was on Nov 28.
So, this years week which includes BF day was better than last years week which does not include BF day?
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djskribbles
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Wow...
So most of the records are basically 'there are more Xboxes than this time last year, so we see more Xbox activity.' Which is true of every platform save dead ones people have given up on.
I just had a good laugh.
A winning combination of the most critically acclaimed holiday lineup of exclusives in Xbox history,* the New Xbox One Experience complete with Backward Compatibility, and an extensive line-up of console bundles, drove record Xbox One sales in the U.S.** and Xbox Store sales worldwide, with record engagement from Xbox fans around the world*** over Black Friday week.
*Based on data via Metacritic.
**Sales period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 in the U.S., based on internal Microsoft data
*** Period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 globally, based on internal Microsoft data
Last years BF was on Nov 28.
So, this years week which includes BF day was better than last years week which does not include BF day?
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Could it just be a simple PR error? Instead of typing/mentioning the 28th, they stated the 27th...
If this is not the case... well... I don't know what to say.
Might just highlight the demand for US consoles by foreign importers especially since US consoles sport the cheapest price and its during a sales period. Anywhere where English is common, duty or import fees are cheap and consoles are ridiculously priced, would seem like a good opportunity to make some money using imported US consoles.
I don't know why the focus is on consoles. One look at the Amazon's Oct software ranking compared to NPD top ten list highlights that Amazon rankings don't always correlate well with actual overall US sales.
I just had a good laugh.
A winning combination of the most critically acclaimed holiday lineup of exclusives in Xbox history,* the New Xbox One Experience complete with Backward Compatibility, and an extensive line-up of console bundles, drove record Xbox One sales in the U.S.** and Xbox Store sales worldwide, with record engagement from Xbox fans around the world*** over Black Friday week.
*Based on data via Metacritic.
**Sales period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 in the U.S., based on internal Microsoft data
*** Period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 globally, based on internal Microsoft data
Last years BF was on Nov 28.
So, this years week which includes BF day was better than last years week which does not include BF day?
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They are defining BF week as the preceding Sat to BF, hence the asterisks. Not defining BF week as Nov 21-27 for both 2014 and 2015.
It requires clarification because the start of a week is Sunday not Saturday.
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I just had a good laugh.
A winning combination of the most critically acclaimed holiday lineup of exclusives in Xbox history,* the New Xbox One Experience complete with Backward Compatibility, and an extensive line-up of console bundles, drove record Xbox One sales in the U.S.** and Xbox Store sales worldwide, with record engagement from Xbox fans around the world*** over Black Friday week.
*Based on data via Metacritic.
**Sales period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 in the U.S., based on internal Microsoft data
*** Period of Nov. 21 – Nov. 27 globally, based on internal Microsoft data
Last years BF was on Nov 28.
So, this years week which includes BF day was better than last years week which does not include BF day?
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I know we've come to expect misleading PR, but given the circumstances selling more systems this BF vs. last should be the expected outcome. Occam's razor says the common sense interpretation of the PR is probably the correct one (that being that the 21-27 was only referring to this year and that the BF 2015 to BF 2014 comparison was not comparing those exact same dates YOY).
That's fair, though. Lots of words to provide a single piece of useful sales information and even that in the most vague terms possible. Did they sell one more or 100,000 more?
It's independent of BF week results. The whole previous year of sales means there'll be more XB owners than this time last year. It's basically a given that use of the platform has increased. The only time you'd see usage reduce YoY is when people aren't using their device, and that's Bad News.
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