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Amazon reigns again I guess.

So PS4 should win March as well, so far.

Although, Amazon is getting wonky with deals deals deals (currently extra free controller with X1, two extra free games on PS4) always on consoles, which could lead to a skewed chart. So far the deals have been for both systems fairly equally though.

Edit: in February Amazon only had the PS4 tenth and X1 11th though, so remarkably close. But I dont even remember what deals they had last month that may have helped X1 unduly.

Or we could wonder if Ps4 and X1 NPD sales will be very close in February, mimicking Amazon? We'll see.

So far in March it's PS4 7, X1 9.
 
I know I'm a broken record on this but ... damn, Sony have executed incredibly well.

For all MS's focus on TV TV TV at the planning and reveal (tent) stages of Xbone, there are probably more people watching Netflicks and streaming tv on PS4 than Xbox One. And they're certainly selling a lot more games.

Sony understood that the foundation of a successful games console is a successful console. Not sure what MS were thinking at the reveal tent. Probably a case of "if we build it, they will come [and gift us money in perpetuity]" fever.

I think it's too late for Xbone to ever fully get out from the shadow of the reveal tent. If on your first day at a new job you go into work with your face plastered in shit, even if you wipe it off later, you'll always be known as "shitface".*

*Not talking from experience.
 
Lol. Yea that reveal tent is going to hurt them for a long time. I don't think they can't turn it around, I just know if they ever managed to it wouldn't be over night and it will take some years for it to happen
 
Best February ever for Microsoft:

“Xbox One’s fan base continues to grow with record February sales in the U.S. for Xbox One and 84 percent more consoles sold compared to January 2015. In February 2015, fans spent an average of 74 hours on Xbox Live in the U.S. – three times the amount of hours the average user spends on social networks*. And, Xbox Live set new records, quadrupling global gaming hours on Xbox One and Xbox 360 in February 2015 compared to February 2014. We are grateful to our fans for choosing to play on Xbox One. Offerings and experiences will continue to expand with Xbox One and 'Halo: The Master Chief Collection' available together for $349, new games launching this month including 'ScreamRide' and 'Ori and the Blind Forest,' hundreds of new ID@Xbox games in development, and plans to make gaming even better on Windows 10 and Xbox.” – Mike Nichols, Corporate Vice President, Xbox Marketing, Microsoft
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Cringe worthy...
 
You can see the multi-platform order returning to favor the PS4 since we are no longer in the 'holiday buyers buying old games' phase of Dec-Jan. XB1 still draws more COD fans and had a marketing deal for Evolve, which is another FPS.
 
The reveal tent was bad, but the ensuing interviews in following hours with heads of Xbox were even more painful. Phil Harrison, Matrick, Yusuf and others talking about always online ping, restrictive DRM, need to authenticate even disc purchases online, forcing of Kinect to every console and more. GAF exploded on that day so much because of those post-event interviews. At E3, $500 price, Matrick proudly saying that offline gamers have great console ["it's called Xbox 360"] and Sony twisting the knifge in their carcass not only on stage but also on social media [that PS4 disc sharing video] sealed their fate for probably half of this generation.
 
Yeah. I lump all that together under the canopy of "reveal tent" (perhaps "reveal tent+" would be a better title). It wasn't just the things they said, it was the things they quite incredibly refused to publicly clarify despite so many people trying to get basic and important information from them.

It was just ... incredible. To be so badly out of touch with what their customers wanted, to be so poor at messaging, and to fall so easily into the trap of appearing to be "the MS bad guy". And to even pick 'Xbone' as the name ... :LOL:

It's like they didn't stop to consider that the customer actually had a choice. And even when things started to go horribly wrong, they thought the problem would just go away, like the internet and blogs and social networking wasn't actually a thing.

Meanwhile, Sony were offering something they knew people wanted, and that people knew they wanted, and they were being very clear about the product.
 
creamsugar posted a pie chart for Feb HW sales of the big 3 consoles (post 1014), and the PS4 is almost half of the chart. Considering the WiiU and XB1 combined is ~370k (94k and 276k respectively), that puts the PS4 ~350k (edit: GAF is saying 352k based on percentages). Very good numbers for XB1 and PS4.
 
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That's one of the things I love about the console market. The market itself will gladly humble a console manufacturer for becoming arrogant and complacent in regards to its position in the market. This pattern seems to repeat itself every generation or so. MS sure fucked up big time early on with the wrong message and too high of a price. They've come a long way and I feel they've repaired the damage from the "reveal tent+", at least to those who can look past that. MS will trail #2 world wide for the rest of the generation, and will likely remain #2 in the US. Grats to them for having a nice month of sales in February.

I was an idiot for suggesting Sony should have a price drop for PS4 anytime soon. Clearly an idiot going by the numbers. The console seems unstoppable at this point. With tax return season upon us it should be able to maintain 300k sales a month for March and April. I'm still impressed with how they've managed to execute from the reveal up until now. I'm actually glad they've decided to push back Uncharted because I'd rather have a complete and solid game than one that is rushed. If they don't have major exclusive content planned for the holidays I still contend a price drop is a good option only if able to still make a profit on each machine sold.
 
Sonic said:
MS will trail #2 world wide for the rest of the generation, and will likely remain #2 in the US. Grats to them for having a nice month of sales in February.
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Has XB1 surpassed Wii U in worldwide sales? The last time I heard (read) it didn't... not yet anyway.
 
I'm not sure, but if they haven't yet they should be well on their way. I know XB1 is a dog worldwide, but so is Wii U.
 
function said:
I know I'm a broken record on this but ... damn, Sony have executed incredibly well.

For all MS's focus on TV TV TV at the planning and reveal (tent) stages of Xbone, there are probably more people watching Netflicks and streaming tv on PS4 than Xbox One. And they're certainly selling a lot more games.

Sony understood that the foundation of a successful games console is a successful console. Not sure what MS were thinking at the reveal tent. Probably a case of "if we build it, they will come [and gift us money in perpetuity]" fever.

I think it's too late for Xbone to ever fully get out from the shadow of the reveal tent. If on your first day at a new job you go into work with your face plastered in shit, even if you wipe it off later, you'll always be known as "shitface".*

*Not talking from experience.
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My theory is like a broken record, it has little to do with DRM, reveal tents or whatever, and a lot to do with system power.

If the XB1 had had all those things happen (DRM debacle etc) and shipped with 2.4 teraflops, it would still be ahead worldwide today imo.

Oddball stat, I just did the calcs and PS4 beat the X1 by about the same percent in Jan and now Feb (~26% and ~27% respectively)

Regardless I should update my 360 vs One NPD gen over gen charts. One will be winning quite prohibitively now.
 
Rangers said:
My theory is like a broken record, it has little to do with DRM, reveal tents or whatever, and a lot to do with system power.

If the XB1 had had all those things happen (DRM debacle etc) and shipped with 2.4 teraflops, it would still be ahead worldwide today imo.

Oddball stat, I just did the calcs and PS4 beat the X1 by about the same percent in Jan and now Feb (~26% and ~27% respectively)

Regardless I should update my 360 vs One NPD gen over gen charts. One will be winning quite prohibitively now.
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This, we are in agreement and I think we've both pointed this out time and time again. MS's core is used to having hardware that pushes the envelope a bit more than the XB1 does. They have the services they need and they truly do have some good exclusives and seem to want to improve but they are stuck with worse hardware this generation and that will cost them sales well into this generation..... I doubt they will make that mistake twice....
 
I am more interested in the PS3 and X360 february NPD numbers. PS3 seems to sell really well in several online retailers thanks to the 30$ price cut. Not sure how the situation is in brick and mortars stores though.
 
Rangers said:
My theory is like a broken record, it has little to do with DRM, reveal tents or whatever, and a lot to do with system power.

If the XB1 had had all those things happen (DRM debacle etc) and shipped with 2.4 teraflops, it would still be ahead worldwide today imo.
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If it shipped with a 2.4TFLOPs GPU then i likely wouldn't have been an APU design, rather a two chip solution or MCM and would have been probably a heck of a lot more expensive than the PS4.

Price is likely a much more important factor, given most of the exclusive games on both sides have been fairly immaterial, and the majority have been buying these consoles for the big 3rd party MP games.

I'd agree that power likely was important, but only in the sense that the very limited technical aspects of game performance and graphics that the masses can understand have been publically seen as not favouring the XB1 console, e.g. lots of games sub-1080p. If the XB1 was 1.5 or 1.6 TFLOPs, then it could probably have kept up with a majority of full HD games. In that case the masses would have found it harder to differentiate between the two boxes, without any easily identifiable numerical metric upon which to base their comparisons.

I mean look at the recent Neilson survey. The sheer number that chose PS4 on the basis of "resolution". Essentially, it's folks saying, "well my TV at home got ten eighty P's, and i know the PS4 can do that many. I heard Xbox don't have enough P's so I don't want that one".
 
I have to agree with Rangers. I'm afraid to say I'm one of those shallow types that would have bought whichever machine was more powerful. I expected the new Xbox to be more powerful and was disappointed that it wasn't. I also hated the initial messaging (even if MS have subsequently done a lot to fix it).

Next-gen (assuming there is one), I'll do the same.
 
Yeah, I think it's a mix of things...a few small things adding up to a compelling reason to buy the PS4:

More powerful
Less expensive
No required Kinect
Get games with PS+

All of a sudden adding all those things up make it quite a one-sided decision...the only things that might make you chose XBO would be exclusives, brand loyalty and friends lists...but was that worth the expense?

Ceratinly I know a guy at work who refused to believe the rumors on power - and even after the specs released believed there must be 'more' to XBO - he still bought one because he has green blood ;)

edit - and least we forget Sony were pulling things back with the PS3 showing Sony in good light towards the end of last gen
 
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