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I just checked the monthly list. XB1 has dropped from #7 to #10. PS4 is still at #15. Just one day ago XB1 was at #7.

Yup, so it looks like the weekly rankings are updated on Saturday's (well depending on your time zone). Not sure at the moment if it is updated more often than every Sat.

So updated November standings (including the one I missed before, ooops).

10 - XBO: AC (down 3 spots)
15 - PS4 (same)
36 - XBO: COD (Holy hell it's up to 519.99 USD, must be limited supply) (down 11 spots)
49 - PS4: Destiny (apologies for missing it the first few times) (same)
50 - XBO: AC (down 4 spots)
88 - XBO (down 33 spots, this one is expected as the XBO: AC bundle replaced it)

And XBO: SO drops off the chart. Also somewhat expected. I'm guessing limited supply as the price was 100 USD over MSRP. Similar effect happening with XBO: COD with the price going up as supply tightens. Also the only SO bundle available on Amazon is not one that is sold by or fullfilled by Amazon now.

That said, PS4 is showing momentum just by the fact that both SKUs in the top 100 maintained position while the various XBO SKUs all dropped to some degree.

Although hourly shows conflicting information. Relative position is based on comparisons to what I posted previously.

09 - PS4 (down 1 spot) (also down hour to hour)
10 - XBO: AC (up 2 spots) (also up hour to hour)
49 - PS4: Destiny (up 4 spots) (also up hour to hour)
53 - XBO: AC (up 3 spots) (also up hour to hour)
57 - XBO: COD (up 5 spots) (also up hour to hour)

Don't know why I bothered posting hourly. Bored I guess before I head to bed. :D But interesting to see just how fluid hourly is.

PS4 gift cards continue to be a hot item with the top 3 spots in the month of November thus far being held by them, so it's looking good for Sony as most of your profits are going to be made from game sales. And digital is going to make you far more money than physical. Digital sales on PS4 should be quite good, especially after Christmas. Go go, digital sales!

Regards,
SB
 
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X1 has gradually moved back into the lead at Amazon over the last 24 hours. Now #9 vs #12.

I wonder how bad Black Friday deals by Amazon will hurricane through and make a mockery of the current charts? Never been through that before.

This thread sure is disturbingly much about Amazon. I guess it's a symptom of how few real sales numbers we get anymore.
 
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X1 has gradually moved back into the lead at Amazon over the last 24 hours. Now #9 vs #12.

I wonder how bad Black Friday deals by Amazon will hurricane through and make a mockery of the current charts? Never been through that before.

This thread sure is disturbingly much about Amazon. I guess it's a symptom of how few real sales numbers we get anymore.

Heh, and now I'm just doing this out of boredom and showing just how unuseable hourly rankings are for anything.

Up/Down numbers relative to my last post. Up/Down hour to hour is Amazon position movement indicators.

09 - XBO: AC (up 1 spot) (up hour to hour)
13 - PS4 (down 4 spots) (down hour to hour)
54 - XBO: AC (down 1 spot) (up hour to hour)
56 - PS4: Destiny (down 7 spots) (up hour to hour)
77 - XBO: COD (down 20 spots) (down hour to hour)

I expect XBO: COD to fall off the hourly charts soon. It's a limited edition bundle, and supplies are quite likely starting to run out.

Anyway, just showing how absolutely useless the hourly charts are. Heck even from one hour to the next. For example, PS4 when it was at spot 9 could have sold less units than PS4 at spot 13, 5 hours later. The ranking is only relative to other products in that particular hour with no relevance or correlation to previous rankings with regards to actual units sold.

For example. With numbers made up just to prove a point.

09 - PS4 - 100 units
10 - XBO - 90 units
49 - PS4 - 50 units
53 - XBO - 40 units
57 - XBO - 30 units

5 hours later

09 - XBO - 140 units
13 - PS4 - 125 units
54 - XBO - 25 units
56 - PS4 - 22 units
77 - XBO - 11 units

Completely valid scenario and tells us virtually nothing. Only what happens to be selling at that particular hour with regards to other products during that hour and that hour only. Hell, you could rework numbers to show that everything sold less than it did 5 hours ago or that everything sold more than it did 5 hours ago.

You can't even gauge relative trends via this. Multiple SKUs swapped relative positioning. Hell, while incredibly unlikely (similar to how monthly maybe XBO is selling only 1.1x or up to 60x as was posted by someone earlier) a product could hold the relatively higher position for 20 out of the 24 hours and due to quirks of sales the product that held the top relative position for only 4 hours could have actually sold more product that day.

Which means that while you'd think the title that held the top spot relative to its competition for 20 our of 24 hours was trending better, it actually turned out that the product that only held the top spot relative to its competition for 4 out of 24 hours was actually trending better. At least on a daily basis. Again, highly unlikely but the possibility exists. It becomes far more likely in scenarios where maybe 1 product only held the top relative spot for 14 out of 24 hours versus 10 out of 24 hours for the other product.

And that's why sites that track hourly positions don't really tell us anything either. Chances are they might give an idea of what the final monthly best seller ends up being, but there's also a chance they won't.

Hourly rankings are mostly useless other than as a curiosity and maybe talking point. Monthly rankings are less useless, but still don't provide a lot of data.

Regards,
SB
 
Rangers, a lot of that may have to do with the tracking work you or somebody else on this forum had done throughout this entire year. And earlier on we had speculated whether Amazon would be a good indicator of what the NPD would tell us. As the months flow by we discovered that Amazon is pretty accurate at least concerning hardware charts.

Though I'm with you on Black Friday. That is a world of its own.
 
Heh, and now I'm just doing this out of boredom and showing just how unuseable hourly rankings are for anything.



I expect XBO: COD to fall off the hourly charts soon. It's a limited edition bundle, and supplies are quite likely starting to run out.

Anyway, just showing how absolutely useless the hourly charts are. Heck even from one hour to the next. For example, PS4 when it was at spot 9 could have sold less units than PS4 at spot 13, 5 hours later. The ranking is only relative to other products in that particular hour with no relevance or correlation to previous rankings with regards to actual units sold.

SB


The rankings have some kind of momentum component (if you're #1 one hour and #100 the next, your ranking might be #20 after the two hours, or something), likely some kind of "predictive' component, etc. Nobody really knows the formula and people have studied it since Amazon ranking is very important to sales for authors.

So it isn't just direct hourly unit sales measured and nothing else. You would probably see much more massive swings if it was.
 
What I find weird, even with the new pricing, none of the new XB1 bundles have yet made into Amazon's 2014 best sellers list. Maybe as a whole (total) it would fit somewhere in the top 100...

Current 2014 best sellers console ranking...
#4 PS4
#28 PS4 Destiny Bundle
#62 XB1+Kinect
#65 XB1 Titanfall Bundle
#97 XB1 Core Sku

Current 2014 best sellers console game ranking (just released)...
#29 Halo: Master Chief Collection
#59 GTA V PS4
#88 ACU PS4

As I mentioned in October, GTA V had the highest preorders of any 3rd party game being released in November at GS/BB... which is quite reflective of its current 2014 Amazon position.

Recap of PS4 GTA V Amazon sites position...
Current Best Sellers
#1 UK
#1 Germany
#1 France
#1 Italy
#2 India
#3 Spain
#8 Canada

Best Sellers for 2014
#3 UK
#3 France
#13 Germany
#64 Canada
 
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Sony sold 10 million units by mid August, averaging a million a month (Nov'2013 - Aug'2014). So, between mid-August up to now, I would say 14 million sounds about right... especially when September brought huge numbers worldwide. As for XB1, I'm pretty sure it's south of 7.5 million units.

Anyhow, I'm almost certain Sony will mention something at next month show... maybe hitting the 15 million units sold mark.
 
Just Dance for Wii is outselling every single PS4 and X1 game on Amazon right now. Not only that, but Nintendo holds 7 spots in the top 20. Smash Bros and Pokémon holding down the top three spots, and Smash Bros for 3ds is still in the top 10.
 
What I find weird, even with the new pricing, none of the new XB1 bundles have yet made into Amazon's 2014 best sellers list. Maybe as a whole (total) it would fit somewhere in the top 100...

Current 2014 best sellers console ranking...
#4 PS4
#28 PS4 Destiny Bundle
#62 XB1+Kinect
#65 XB1 Titanfall Bundle
#97 XB1 Core Sku

Current 2014 best sellers console game ranking (just released)...
#29 Halo: Master Chief Collection
#59 GTA V PS4
#88 ACU PS4

As I mentioned in October, GTA V had the highest preorders of any 3rd party game being released in November at GS/BB... which is quite reflective of its current 2014 Amazon position.

Recap of PS4 GTA V Amazon sites position...

can post links for amazon uk because I get this...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Seller...eogames/676171011/ref=zg_bs_nav_vg_h__1_vg_h_

I get
XB1 at #2, #7, #10, #11, #12, #14, #16, #18 and #19
PS4 at #6, #8, #9, #15
Wii U at #5

And its been practically the same thing for the last 4-5 days.
 
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My list is for the U.S. Amazon's Best Sellers for 2014 - not what's happening daily.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Current 2014 best sellers console ranking...
#4 PS4
#28 PS4 Destiny Bundle
#62 XB1+Kinect
#65 XB1 Titanfall Bundle
#97 XB1 Core Sku

Current 2014 best sellers console game ranking (just released)...
#29 Halo: Master Chief Collection
#59 GTA V PS4
#88 ACU PS4

FYI: This is Amazon's UK version of best sellers 2014. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Current 2014 best sellers console ranking...
#17 PS4 Game Console
#91 XB1 FIFA Bundle
#93 XB1 Titanfall Bundle

Current 2014 best sellers console game ranking (just released)...
#3 GTA V PS4
#6 COD:AW PS4
#14 GTA V XB1
#16 COD:AW XB1
#22 H:MCC XB1
#26 ACU PS4
#32 Far Cry 4 PS4
#57 ACU XB1
#78 Far Cry 4 XB1
 
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And just because I have nothing else to do right now except to waste time and space.

08 - XBO: AC bundle (up 1) (up hour to hour)
12 - PS4 (up 1) (down hour to hour)
44 - XBO: AC bundle (up 10) (up hour to hour)
52 - PS4: Destiny bundle (up 4) (up hour to hour)
91 - XBO: COD limited edition (down 17) (up hour to hour) (price has also gone up again to 528 USD)

What's to say? Not much. Other than people are buying the COD limited edition console on Amazon even though it is 528 USD when you can get it at other places (like Best Buy) for MSRP of 449 USD. Just goes to show that for some people, convenience is more important than price.



Regards,
SB
 
FYI: This is Amazon's UK version of best sellers 2014. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Current 2014 best sellers console ranking...
#17 PS4 Game Console
#91 XB1 FIFA Bundle
#93 XB1 Titanfall Bundle

And just for S's and J's. The November rankings for UK Amazon.

40 - XBO: FIFA bundle (with free Forza 5 code)
52 - PS4 + COD Amazon bundle (not official pack in bundle)
56 - X360: FIFA bundle
62 - PS4: GTAV bundle
79 - PS4
81 - XBO (with free Forza 5 code) + COD Amazon bundle (not official pack in bundle)
99 - PS4: Destiny bundle

Wait, what? X360 is still charting in the UK? AC: Unity bundle (not charting but available) isn't nearly as popular as it is in the US. No official COD: AW bundle for the UK despite it being at least as popular there (if not more so) than the US? Or are they just sold out of the official bundle?

Regards,
SB
 
http://news.xbox.com/2014/11/xbox-one-black-friday-deals

Beginning on Thanksgiving Day, Nov. 27 – 29, and Cyber Monday, online only Dec. 1, Xbox One consoles, including special edition bundles Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity Bundle and Xbox One Limited Edition Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Bundle, will be available* starting at $329, in the U.S. [...] We’re also offering a number of amazing Xbox Live and digital game and video deals, including 40 percent off Forza Motorsport 5 and Diablo III: Reaper of Souls - Ultimate Evil Edition, through the Xbox Store starting today.

  • Best Buy: Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle with Kinect at $429, plus a free controller, and Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle for $329.
  • GameStop: Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle at $329.
  • Microsoft Retail Stores: Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle at $329, Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle with Kinect at $429, plus any select game of your choice in addition to other Xbox deals found here.
  • Target: Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle at $329, including a $50 Target gift card.
  • Toys R Us: Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle at $329.
  • Walmart: Xbox One at $329 with Halo: The Master Chief Collection and $30 gift card (one hour guarantee on Nov. 27) and Xbox One Assassin’s Creed Unity bundle for $329.
[..]

  • GameStop: Xbox 360 500GB console for $199.
  • Microsoft Retail Stores: $50 off any Xbox 360 console, plus the game of your choice.
  • Target: Xbox 360 4GB console with Kinect for $179.
  • Walmart: Xbox 360 4GB console for $99.
[..]

For the full list of digital offers across both Xbox One and Xbox 360, check out http://www.xbox.com/en-us/black-friday

*Limited quantities available, while supplies last. Holiday discounts are based on estimated in-store promotional pricing; actual consumer prices are determined by participating retailers.

Hopefully that's all the important info.
 
The XB1 pricing and value are starting align with the stars (err, unbeatable deals). Hopefully when Gears is released, the pricing is even better. :cool:
 
It's important for them to do well this holiday season. The console itself is finally ready for prime time, they really need to get the console out into peoples homes and disprove illegitimate ill-will towards it, though not sure what they can do about legitimate concerns - I believe they could be doing better without the Halo MCC botch, so much that they should have released the beta on November 11th, and released the final game around xmas time when it was ready for prime time. At least the hype wouldn't have dissipated.
 
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