All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Bagel seed]

So Xbone was doing 19k / wk and post 399 it's doing about 35k? If they can maintain that level into next month they could actually build some legs. But if Amazon numbers are really of any indication then it was just a temporary spike.

 

[SlimJim]

come on guys, now you are measuring in numbers/week; I'm pretty sure that's only to make the Xbox One appear even less successful. I don't see why people would get a kick of out this.
Xbox One did a solid 150k. This is during the traditional drought summertime, when no good games come out anyway. When Halo comes out, or Gears of War, sales will explode

 

[rokkerkory]

150k-175k during summer months is decent.

I suspect PS4 near 200k for June which is great.

 

[DrJay24]

So Xbone was doing 19k / wk and post 399 it's doing about 35k? If they can maintain that level into next month they could actually build some legs. But if Amazon numbers are really of any indication then it was just a temporary spike.

Comparing June to May is a bit odd, the announcement of the $399 SKU would have dried up demand during May, April is a better comparison. To a greater extent the same was true for the Vita, who would buy a Vita right befrore the $199 Borderland bundle?

 

[AlNom]

Previous June results:

2011 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60444
2010 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58027
2009 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54611
2008 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49097
2007 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42928

It was nice when folks made the monthly threads (took forever to find, rename and tag them *sigh*).

Guess that's not happening at all anymore.

 

[Bagel seed]

Comparing June to May is a bit odd, the announcement of the $399 SKU would have dried up demand during May, April is a better comparison. To a greater extent the same was true for the Vita, who would buy a Vita right befrore the $199 Borderland bundle?

The May announcement definitely created some pent up demand in Jun, but that alone doesn't tell us if the baseline rose significantly or not.

April saw a weekly rate of around 30k thanks to Titanfall bundles and deals and now theyve managed 35k at a similar effective console cost (minus bundled games and peripherals). The question is if that rate will stick into next month. My hunch is that it'll drop somewhat, to 25-30k / wk.

 

[holsty101]

come on guys, now you are measuring in numbers/week; I'm pretty sure that's only to make the Xbox One appear even less successful.

I thought it was to do with 4 week vs 5 week sale period, it's a bit disingenuous to compare a longer month to a shorter one otherwise.

 

[tuna]

Anything shot for broadcast needs to be. Certainly all the BBC's stuff is 50 Hz and plays back poorly on mobile devices. You can't snap such content on a 60/30 Hz game and not have issues.

All 24 fps content is also crap for mobile devices, and I would consider that a higher priority than 50 fps content (which there is very little of).

BTW, can't you make a new thread of this?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Previous June results:

2011 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60444
2010 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58027
2009 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54611
2008 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49097
2007 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42928

Numbers, plus price tags (entry level and core) lifted from here.

XB360

2011 507k @ $199/299
2010 451.7K @ $199/299
2009 240.6K @ $199/299
2008 219.5k @ $279/349
2007 198.4k @ $299/399
2006 277k @ $299/399


PS3

2011 276k @ $299/399
2010 304.8K @ $299/399
2009 164.7K @ $299/399
2008 405.5k @ $399/499
2007 98.5k @ $599


XB1

2014 155k @ $399/499

So 100k for PS3 at $600 for first June, and 277k for 360 in first June. 155k for XB1's first June. At the same price point, PS3 sold 400k, 360 obviously doesn't have a comparable value.

 

[Brad Grenz]

June numbers are a bit weird since MS announced and launched new slim models of the 360 to coincide with E3 more than once. MGS4 also launched in June 2008 with a bundle accounting for that high PS3 number. As a result it's a bit difficult to look at the historical figures and tease out a baseline for normalcy.

 

[Rangers]

If it didn't outsell Xbox maybe Microsoft would've made mention of being the best selling next gen console.

The fact they didn't pretty much confirms ps4 sold better and I'd wager by a decent margin.

I dont really expect it to outsell PS4 but I'm not sure your logic is sound. MS apparently used internal figures rather than NPD for the double claim. As such they may not know PS4 numbers until today (there's kind of an urban legend on GAF that some (big corporations?) may get the NPD numbers 24-48 hours early, but I've never seen it definitively decided if that's true. If it isn't, MS waits for the NPD numbers just like us)

Presumably when X1 is <$300, so will PS4 be.

Well I happen to think it's reasonable that X1 could hold a ~$50 BOM advantage. Similar size SOC's and DDR3 vs GDDR5. I also think currently the expensive build quality on X1 could be giving that 50 back, though. Also there's the idea MS is in a much better financial position to subsidize their console, but they've really never used this in the past (well, I guess they did on 2001 Xbox) so it's dubious.

Previous June results:

2011 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60444
2010 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58027
2009 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54611
2008 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49097
2007 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42928

It was nice when folks made the monthly threads (took forever to find, rename and tag them *sigh*).

Guess that's not happening at all anymore.

If you just want the numbers for a given month, googling "neogaf such and such month/year NPD" should get you to the GAF thread.

Although I guess you'd then have to dredge the bottom of the thread for the most updated numbers, at least ever since NPD hid them. The most updated numbers shouldn't be too many pages from the end of the thread.

Numbers, plus price tags (entry level and core) lifted from here.

XB360

2011 507k @ $199/299
2010 451.7K @ $199/299
2009 240.6K @ $199/299
2008 219.5k @ $279/349
2007 198.4k @ $299/399
2006 277k @ $299/399


PS3

2011 276k @ $299/399
2010 304.8K @ $299/399
2009 164.7K @ $299/399
2008 405.5k @ $399/499
2007 98.5k @ $599


XB1

2014 155k @ $399/499

So 100k for PS3 at $600 for first June, and 277k for 360 in first June. 155k for XB1's first June. At the same price point, PS3 sold 400k, 360 obviously doesn't have a comparable value.

Wow, 360 2010 and 11 and PS4 08 (MGS4) are so high. That's why there's fear the market is declining...

 

[London Geezer]

Wow, 360 2010 and 11 and PS4 08 (MGS4) are so high. That's why there's fear the market is declining...

We'll have to see sales figures when the big guns come out!
I know, broken record, but so far we haven't had a lot of huge releases, if any. Certainly not in the realm of MGS or any of the really big games on both platforms, still they've sold quit ok even without much to do on them, especially the PS4.

 

[temesgen]

I dont really expect it to outsell PS4 but I'm not sure your logic is sound. MS apparently used internal figures rather than NPD for the double claim. As such they may not know PS4 numbers until today (there's kind of an urban legend on GAF that some (big corporations?) may get the NPD numbers 24-48 hours early, but I've never seen it definitively decided if that's true. If it isn't, MS waits for the NPD numbers just like us)



Well I happen to think it's reasonable that X1 could hold a ~$50 BOM advantage. Similar size SOC's and DDR3 vs GDDR5. I also think currently the expensive build quality on X1 could be giving that 50 back, though. Also there's the idea MS is in a much better financial position to subsidize their console, but they've really never used this in the past (well, I guess they did on 2001 Xbox) so it's dubious.





If you just want the numbers for a given month, googling "neogaf such and such month/year NPD" should get you to the GAF thread.

Although I guess you'd then have to dredge the bottom of the thread for the most updated numbers, at least ever since NPD hid them. The most updated numbers shouldn't be too many pages from the end of the thread.



Wow, 360 2010 and 11 and PS4 08 (MGS4) are so high. That's why there's fear the market is declining...

This certainly is interesting, I'm wondering (out loud) why Titanfall hasn't moved more hardware.....

 

[djskribbles]

come on guys, now you are measuring in numbers/week; I'm pretty sure that's only to make the Xbox One appear even less successful. I don't see why people would get a kick of out this.
Xbox One did a solid 150k. This is during the traditional drought summertime, when no good games come out anyway. When Halo comes out, or Gears of War, sales will explode

Not at all. It's the only fair way to judge sales rate/demand. June was a 5 week period and May was a 4 week period. I could argue that comparing May with June's monthly numbers is putting the XB1 in a more positive light since it had an extra week of sales. Not to mention May numbers were skewed from the 399 announcement. I'm just looking past MS' '2x sales' PR and figuring out how much the demand has actually grown, and it seems to be slightly higher than April, which is a small win for MS I guess. That is about what I expected considering this isn't an actual price drop. Some people expected this unbundling to launch the XB1 back ahead of the PS4, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Rangers]

Oooh, a pre NPD tidbit with 5 minutes to go from an insider.

Yes. Just a solid month all around for, well everyone actually.

Ok, #NPD time: Hardware sales still jumping (up 106% to $292.7M) while game sales fall again (down 5% to $298.2M). Accessories were up 1%"

"Top game of the month? Watch Dogs, which was released in May. Mario Kart #2, followed by Minecraft, UFC, FIFA, NBA 2K #NPD"

I guess it's interested WD beat Mario Kart.

 

[DieH@rd]

Previous June results:

2011 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60444
2010 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58027
2009 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54611
2008 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49097
2007 http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42928

It was nice when folks made the monthly threads (took forever to find, rename and tag them *sigh*).

Guess that's not happening at all anymore.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=14

You can get NPD and MediaCrete archive @ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=14
Only the most recent threads are not moved in that forum archive, but you can find them with simple google search of gaf.

 

[Rangers]

http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/17/june-2014-npd-ps4-and-xbox-one-have-another-strong-month-as-watch-dogs-tops-charts/

1. Watch Dogs (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
2. Mario Kart 8 (Wii U)
3. Minecraft (360, PS3)
4. UFC (PS4, Xbox One)
5. FIFA 14 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, Vita)
6. NBA 2K14 (360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, PC)
7. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
9. Tomodachi Life (3DS)
10. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)

PS4 top selling console of the month, via twitter...

Straight from Sony PR:

PlayStation 4 was #1 in sales for the sixth consecutive month and remains the cumulative leader for next generation game consoles.
PlayStation 4 was #1 for next generation software sales, with PS4 leading two of the top three titles.
PlayStation was #1 in combined home console hardware sales (PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 3) for the month.
The biggest next generation software titles, including Watch_Dogs, UFC and FIFA 14, were #1 on PlayStation 4, further demonstrating that PS4 is the platform of choice for blockbuster games.

Looks like WiiU had a good month. Developing, as Drudge would say...

 

[DieH@rd]

Expected victory for PS4. Xbone will have the chance only in November and December.

 

[Shortbread]

http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/17/j...other-strong-month-as-watch-dogs-tops-charts/

1. Watch Dogs (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
2. Mario Kart 8 (Wii U)
3. Minecraft (360, PS3)
4. UFC (PS4, Xbox One)
5. FIFA 14 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, Vita)
6. NBA 2K14 (360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, PC)
7. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
9. Tomodachi Life (3DS)
10. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)

PS4 top selling console of the month, via twitter...



Looks like WiiU had a good month. Developing, as Drudge would say...

Definitely, PS4 will be leading this generation amongst 3rd party titles in sales.

 

[Deleted member 7537]

NTDOY also says MK8 is "driving momentum" for the Wii U. Sales of hardware were up 233% in June, software was up 373%. #NPD

WiiU may have beaten XB1 this month.