While operating a game as a service gives you some interesting opportunities it is much easier to produce and sale a classic boxed product. Unfortunately every attempt to protect this work against unpaid use had failed. Therefore running games as a service is more or less a last attempt to keep commercial PC gaming alive. I can fully understand everyone who doesn’t like this idea. But the PC game industry has lost the fight against the pirates when it comes to boxed products. With the possibilities of high speed internet they just have the superior weapons in this battle so far.
Alan Wake: Microsoft preparing to leave PC gamers behind (again)
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While operating a game as a service gives you some interesting opportunities it is much easier to produce and sale a classic boxed product. Unfortunately every attempt to protect this work against unpaid use had failed. Therefore running games as a service is more or less a last attempt to keep commercial PC gaming alive. I can fully understand everyone who doesn’t like this idea. But the PC game industry has lost the fight against the pirates when it comes to boxed products. With the possibilities of high speed internet they just have the superior weapons in this battle so far.
aaronspink
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Or it could be the simple ebb and flow of devs thinking the grass is greener on the other side. We've seen this before. And I think the same thing will happen.
they'll find out that consoles cost more to develop for and make less profit per game sold and that it is a hell of a lot easier to flame out on a console than on the PC. They'll also find you can't try out new things on the consoles.
The mega funding will dry up. Some companies will die. Some will diversify again. Some new companies will spring up on the PC with new ideas and new games. They'll get big names, think the grass is greener...
aaronspink
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I think someone hasn't looks at the torrents yet. If anything more people are torrenting the 360 release of a game than the pc release of the game. Take a look at how many downloads the recent release of NCAA Football 09 got. DL, burn, play, and yes even on xbox live.
PS3 isn't unpiratable. NOTHING is unpiratable. The economics of BluRay just make not an issue atm.
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THE PS3 HAS NOT BEEN CRACKED YET!
How many times have I said this?!
I do look at torrent sites all the time. I also look at other, non-torrent piracy sites as well. I know of one place where the entire PC games section absolutely dwarfs the console section, which includes handhelds as well. It has to be at least 3 times the size.
And you never looked at a torrent site back in the day. PS2 piracy was a lot more popular than X360 piracy is now due to the relative ease(Sure, installing a mod chip isn't all that easy, but people had known about modchips for years, and it was easier to find a service to get a chipped PS2 than it is to find one for the X360, and it's easy to find one for the X360...) of PS2 piracy.
I also just took at a look at three torrent sites as well, two had fewer X360 games than PS2(The third was about equal, with the X360 having a slight advantage), and all three had far, far fewer X360 games than PC games.
The point is that, despite PS2 being heavily pirated, no matter how big the piracy on 360 is, games still sell/sold a lot on these platforms. With PC, you have low-performing games and heavy piracy. Maybe these things aren't related, but like I've said before, it doesn't matter as long as publishers think they are.
IST sorry we are not the experts in warez that you are.
I keep an eye out on this stuff for the hell of it, to be honest. Piracy annoys the fuck out of me, and I do not have a flashed X360 on principle. I have a flashed Wii for old school emulators. My PS2 is softmodded so I can watch TV shows on it and play out of print games/backups of my damaged discs(I'M LOOKING AT YOU RESIDENT EVIL FOUR), and that's it.
The reason I got annoyed was because he's not using facts, merely opinion...
grandmaster
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Amusingly most PS3 games fit on a DVD... debug code runs from it no problem. Many even fit on a single layer DVD-R!
PS3 isn't unpiratable but it is unpirated as of now, and for several reasons. Firstly, the dumps released onto the internet are useless as the files are unencrypted and can only be decrypted with a key that the dumping software is unable to access (it's in the ROMmark area of the BD) and secondly, as I understand it, the firmware of the BD drive is included in the system updates, so even if the BD drive firmware could be hacked a la 360, it would be overwritten next time you update the machine.
Finally, the BD drive firmware is encrypted, whereas it wasn't on 360 and that was the main point of weakness there.
I reckon there's a good couple of years yet before any one makes a serious crack at breaking PS3.
Indeed. I suppose I should have mentioned some of that earlier(didn't know all of it...). I was too angered at aaron to think of it though.
I guess it's a good thing then that almost every game on it is on 360 and/or PC anyway. I'd hazard a guess that this could be an additional reason for a lack of motivation to crack the thing.
I guess it's a good thing then that almost every game on it is on 360 and/or PC anyway. I'd hazard a guess that this could be an additional reason for a lack of motivation to crack the thing.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=56289
Probably a goof on CVG's part. Might be a PC port, but MS isn't announcing it 'til the console game is out.
Heh. Oh well.
green.pixel
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Microsoft: Alan Wake will no longer be coming to the PC
This is such a stupid statement that it boggles the mind. They think that PC gaming community is retarded and would fall for this crap.
Bags of M$'s marketing money, thrown in for fanboy purposes, like Nebula said some time ago.
This is such a stupid statement that it boggles the mind. They think that PC gaming community is retarded and would fall for this crap.
Bags of M$'s marketing money, thrown in for fanboy purposes, like Nebula said some time ago.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Yeah, yeah, and then six months later, the PC version will arrive for which we will all supposed to be thankful. If it doesn't then so what? It's not like I'm going to buy an X-box just to play Alan Wake, so it's just a lost sale. There's lots of console games that didn't persuade me to buy a console, and this one won't either.
Personally, sitting a couple of feet away from a wide screen hi-def monitor in the the undisturbed quiet and low lighting of my study is much more immersive than sitting twelve feet away from the TV, laid back on the sofa while the rest of the household goes about it's day in a brightly lit living room.
If it doesn't then so what? It's not like I'm going to buy an X-box just to play Alan Wake, so it's just a lost sale. There's lots of console games that didn't persuade me to buy a console, and this one won't either.Personally, sitting a couple of feet away from a wide screen hi-def monitor in the the undisturbed quiet and low lighting of my study is much more immersive than sitting twelve feet away from the TV, laid back on the sofa while the rest of the household goes about it's day in a brightly lit living room.
I have a 360 and its still a lost sale from me. Just like Halo 3 and Gears 2 were.
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