But then all the work that has gone into Series S version of games would be wasted.
There has to be some path to play these games going forward I would think.
Sony PS6, Microsoft neXt Series - 10th gen console speculation [2020]
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There has to be some path to play these games going forward I would think.
Tokyo gameshow
Ps6 prototype.
Word!
Very early
Minimum 32GB RAM
Reason for Sony comeback
Thete Has to Be generational Leap what
Ever IT cost.
PlayStation 6: Sony showcased its next console to key partners at TGS 2024, according to rumors | LevelUp
A source claims that the company revealed a supposed PS6 prototype at the Japanese eventwww.levelup.com
Do you believe!
Yeah. I think Arkham night 2 is simply saying "here's an article about a PS6 prototype appearing at TGS24 with 32 GBs RAM" but it's not written in a B3D appropriate style. Could do with editing.
Charlietus
Regular
You know all the talk from Microsoft about the forward preservation team? I think that's referring to a Xbox emulator for windows that will give you access to all of your account games.
Not necessarily. They could be used for mobile gaming, or lower variants of cloud gaming
But technically xbox6 and ps6 is now aligned in numbering. Xbox doesn’t have to be weird about naming anymore.
I dont see that there does. That effort isn't 'wasted', it'll simply be useful for Series S owners. Nothing wrong with that if that's the extent of things.
For people in the future, they'll simply run the superior Series X versions of that software. It's not like they're two totally different things that both need preserving.
PlayStation 6 SoC is 'design complete' says leaker: AMD Zen 5 with X3D cache, next-gen UDNA GPUTokyo gameshow
Ps6 prototype.
Word!
Very early
Minimum 32GB RAM
Reason for Sony comeback
Thete Has to Be generational Leap what
Ever IT cost.
PlayStation 6: Sony showcased its next console to key partners at TGS 2024, according to rumors | LevelUp
A source claims that the company revealed a supposed PS6 prototype at the Japanese event
Do you believe!
PlayStation 6 SoC is 'design complete' says leaker: AMD Zen 5 with X3D cache, next-gen UDNA GPU
Sony's next-generation PlayStation 6 'is design complete' with recent leaks teasing AMD's custom APU will have Zen 5 CPU + X3D and next-gen UDNA GPU.
www.tweaktown.com
that's what they are saying. Back in the era, we'd be having PS2 if PS1was released in 2020. There was a 5-years gap between PS1 and PS2. This has been an odd gen.
We're long past the days of 5 year gens.
X360 was 8 years. PS3 was 7 years.
XB1+PS4 were both 7 years.
Switch is ending at 8 years.
This is not some blip, this is a trend that is happening for extremely good reason. And because the factors involved involved in the lengthening of these lifetimes are only growing more intense, I actually think it makes the most sense to actually extend lifetimes slightly further this gen. That probably wont happen, but it should.
Still, 2028 is my guess for PS6. And I dont believe there's any possible chance PS6 is 'design finalized' this early in any case. At the very earliest, we'd be talking late 2027 launch. None of the actual architectural designs that the PS6 will be based on will even be design finalized by now! lol The idea that they'd be using a 2024 CPU architecture in 2027/2028 is also quite unbelievable.
If the target is 2027, the schedule is perfectly reasonable for that.
A new SOC design like this has a 4-5 year design cycle with the design/architecture portion being being done early on. The majority of the time is spent of verification and validation (especially in the interaction of the various IP blocks). Completely normal to tapeout a first iteration of design two years before commercial release as validation and bring up can take up so much time.
What we don't know if is if they are planning on a B0 tapeout (or just metal fixes for bugs). I could see them taping A0 this year, validating most of the SOC, allowing firmware development to start early, pipe cleaning the manufacturing process, and then having another tapeout with updated IP blocks for the final tape out next at the end of 2026 ( or mid 2027 if the launch date gets pushed to 2028).
I actually do hope it's a 2028 part on 2nm as I don't think going just N3E is enough of a jump perf/power improvements over what's in the PS5 Pro.
The sort of architectures they will plan to use by then are still gonna be in development at AMD.
Late 2027 is still nearly three years away.
Also kinda doubt 2nm even if it was 2028, though it could be close. Still, costs may be insurmountable regardless of how long 2nm has been in production/how mature it is. Very much hoping that Intel or maybe Samsung improve a decent chunk by then to become viable options. Continuing to make consoles on advanced TSMC processes as TSMC gets ever greedier is a big problem.
raytracingfan
Newcomer
It's disappointing but perfectly believable. 9800X3D-level performance is still a generational leap over the ~3700X-level performance of the PS5. If the rumors of Zen6 having more than 8 cores per CCD are true I hope they go with that though. It would be nice for a console with more than 8 cores to release so developers would be encouraged to design engines with higher core counts in mind.
Are core counts a limitation? AFAIK once you hit 'multicore' your game scales up across all of them. The issue is probably more a lack of well multithreaded games if they aren't scaling well to >8 cores, although there are limits in how far any code/algorithms can be parallelised.
Charlietus
Regular
Honestly, a console doesn't need that much performance. TV's max out at 120-144hz, so twice the performance of a PS5 would be enough. If they get some 3D cache on there frame times would also stabilize for problematic games, that's another plus.
Well I dont think 9800X3D is really that big a leap at all by console generation standards. And consoles can always use more power if it's not costing them more to get it.
There's no reason to stick with a 3-4 year old CPU architecture if a newer and better one is clearly available. It'd be like if XSX/PS5 went with Zen 1 over Zen 2. Zen 6 would have to be piggishly large in area, or completely unsuited for gaming purposes or extremely delayed in development to not be considered.
Arkham night 2
Newcomer
I think ps6 Will Be very powerfull
If ps6 running game 4k native 30fps
Ps5 same settings
720p 30fps
Talking about same settings
Maybe ps5 is just out off memory out
Of Power
If ps6 running game 4k native 30fps
Ps5 same settings
720p 30fps
Talking about same settings
Maybe ps5 is just out off memory out
Of Power
Charlietus
Regular
Arkham night 2. You might want to get some better understanding of what it would take for a GPU that's 8 times more powerful than a PS5 in 2 to 3 years from now. It's not really possible. Ray tracing that's 8 times more efficient than a PS5? A much better AI architecture? Now that's something that's possible.
There is no need to wait for the performance of the next consoles, because if they are too powerful, they will be priced almost the same as the powerful PC.
Techniques such as FSR4, DLSS4 and Lossless Scaling will play a real gamechanger role in terms of the visual performance of games starting this year. It is probably worth building a PC with mid-range variants of the new VGA generations plus an average modern CPU. Because thanks to the scaling and frame generation techniques mentioned above, these will already be a generational leap compared to current consoles. For games, it is now more worthwhile to build a PC with a minimalist design.
Techniques such as FSR4, DLSS4 and Lossless Scaling will play a real gamechanger role in terms of the visual performance of games starting this year. It is probably worth building a PC with mid-range variants of the new VGA generations plus an average modern CPU. Because thanks to the scaling and frame generation techniques mentioned above, these will already be a generational leap compared to current consoles. For games, it is now more worthwhile to build a PC with a minimalist design.
