ZOE2 tgs trailer

[marconelly!]

When the camera zooms out, LOD or tesselation comes into play

Isn't that what LOD is for?

It hasn't even been confirmed whether or not the cutscenes were realtime so arguing about this new trailer is pointless anyway

Yes, I remember that trailer and that scene. Person who writes for Play magazine was at E3 and talked to Konami people, praising them for their nice FMV work in that scene. They laughed, thanked him, and said it was all realtime You can read that in the E3 issue of Play. Programmers also said they do not plan to include any FMV movies in the game except, maybe for one intro movie.

 

[PC-Engine]

Yes that's what LOD is for and that's why saying the models in the cutscenes are the same ones used ingame doesn't impress me

BTW I'd rather wait until a website confirms it's realtime before arguing further as it's pretty pointless. It's not that I don't think it's realtime. I just think it needs to be officially confirmed otherwise I'm just wasting my time.

 

[Logan Leonhart]

Looks to me like someone is in denial.

God, I still can´t believe what Konami has done with the PS2 hardware. I downloaded the ZOE 2 trailer, and I was absolutely impressed (BTW, which software do you guys use to play the trailer? WMP9 doesn´t support *.asx files anymore, and media jukebox´s performance with it is terrible).

Maybe my kinda blind faith in what the system can do had some truth to it, afterall. Archie4oz, will FFXII surpass this? (Why didn´t Squaresoft show ANYTHING, BTW ? I was at least expecting the FFX sidestory, but not even that. )

Seeing Yuna in hotpants was cool, though...

 

[PC-Engine]

Why would I be in denial? I'm pretty sure the PS2 can do those cutscenes in realtime, but what I believe doesn't confirm or deny if it is indeed realtime. I'm still not impressed though that's why I brought up the DC comparison

The average Joe with no formal art training might think it's mindboggling, but I don't

And unless someone can prove there's something very special going on in those cutscenes, it all boils down to art

 

[marconelly!]

What more special do you want?

- detailed character models
- excellent lighting
- multi texturing (specular highlights, etc)
- volumetric shadows on everything
- self shadowing
- top notch animation (facial and character)
- dynamic lighting illuminates the fog

and then comes the excellent art direction that gives the whole thing that ralistic look.

Logan, Square had Unlimited Saga on display and it turned quite a few heads from what I've heard

 

[PC-Engine]

Just saw that car scene. Man that car is really low poly. It looks like a square box with a texture slapped on. You were saying the backgrounds are high detail. The interior of that car which makes up the background in that scene is not even close to high detail. Heck the guy's torso isn't even high detail. The art is nice but there's nothing technologically advanced about it. I guess Shenmue on DC raised my expectations to a level where it's more difficult to be impressed by cutscenes.

 

[marconelly!]

I think you are in denial PCEngine
Did you not see the lighting in that car scene? Did you not see the rest of the trailer?

DC graphics >>>> FF:TSW

 

[iscariot]

if he is not impressed by H2 or D3, then I don't think he'll be impressed with anything in this genration of consoles. Shenmuue 4eva!

 

[Ozymandis]

Yeah, Unlimited SaGa looks fantastic!

 

[PC-Engine]

PS2, Xbox, and GC can all do lighting better than DC...that's expected. Models are a little higher poly than the Shenmue demo...that's expected.
Mulitexturing...expected. Voodoo1 can do multitexturing and so can DC.
Texturing detail is pretty good artwise.
Facial animation is good but isn't that good relative to Shenmue.
Self shadowing is good but DC can also do it.

What's left is art direction which is why it looks very good.

IMO Doom 3 looks worse than SH3 even if it's supposedly more technically advanced. In other words art direction reigns supreme.

 

[archie4oz]

God, I still can´t believe what Konami has done with the PS2 hardware.

Well it does take time for developers to 'break habits' and/or perceptions and the PS2 does tend to cause you to tend to rethink a lot of problems whereas the other systems are far more straight forward...

Archie4oz, will FFXII surpass this? (Why didn´t Squaresoft show ANYTHING, BTW I was at least expecting the FFX sidestory, but not even that.)

Can't say... It'll certainly be more colorful and it will be an improvement over X of course... As far as showing things, Square (like Nintendo) doesn't show much at TGS anymore and have their own convention...

Seeing Yuna in hotpants was cool, though...

Hehehe, you should see her and cast do a Michael Jackson video...

 

[marconelly!]

Archie, I've seen the Unlimited Saga trailer, that displays lots of people and blue silhouettes walking aroung. It ends with the phrase 'Sketch Motion'. Is that video pre-rendered FMV?

 

[Ozymandis]

marc, where did you see that trailer? I got to see it!

 

[marconelly!]

Ozymandis, here you go:

http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_1.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_2.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_3.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_4.mov

 

[iscariot]

In other words art direction reigns supreme

agreed. That's what makes Ico so special looking despite it technical shortcomings...

 

[Vince]

If you don't have any technical facts to prove otherwise than I can understand why you're speechless

I speechless because theirs nothing to say. Your so biased it's laughable:


"Doom 3, from the pics I've seen so far, have been extremely underwhelming. Halo 2, same thing. Not really that big of a jump AFAIC"

"I guess Shenmue on DC raised my expectations to a level where it's more difficult to be impressed by cutscenes"

"I'd really like to see what AM2 can pull off in a new head/torso cutscene TODAY on DC"

BTW: You won't find many to agree with you. It's always a good sign that a games looking good when someone like Alex - who seems to be quite well versed in HLSLs and Fragment Shading - compliments a game on looking incredible.

 

[Ozymandis]

Ozymandis, here you go:

http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_1.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_2.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_3.mov
http://ps2movies.ign.com/ps2/video/saga_0920_4.mov

Thanks!!

 

[marconelly!]

You are welcome. Now that your sig reminded me, I'm off to play some Ikaruga

 

[PC-Engine]

If you don't have any technical facts to prove otherwise than I can understand why you're speechless

I speechless because theirs nothing to say. Your so biased it's laughable:


"Doom 3, from the pics I've seen so far, have been extremely underwhelming. Halo 2, same thing. Not really that big of a jump AFAIC"

"I guess Shenmue on DC raised my expectations to a level where it's more difficult to be impressed by cutscenes"

"I'd really like to see what AM2 can pull off in a new head/torso cutscene TODAY on DC"

BTW: You won't find many to agree with you. It's always a good sign that a games looking good when someone like Alex - who seems to be quite well versed in HLSLs and Fragment Shading - compliments a game on looking incredible.

Actually when I said agree, I was talking about Doom 3. Go find me a D3 screenshot that shows how great it is...if you can

As a matter of fact there's a thread in the 3D forum with pics of it

 

[Guest]

Please my friend, how and where did Shenmue tech demo look as good as this?

The light and shadow, the frE@kiN facial details and the old man individual rendered clothes are all above Shenmue head demos...

Maybe someone could like post some pics of the Shenmue tech demo...

IMO Shenmue looks good but tad over rated for what it is really worth. [/list]