xbox360 kiosk + CoD2 - FSAA - Aniso + Trilinear

[pjbliverpool]

Well that's the usual problem with PC games, there is a MUCH lesser focus on having stable framerates than on consoles. A PC game can go from 150fps to 15fps easily. On consoles that's just not acceptable.

Thats doesn't often happen, if you look at benchmarks with both average and minimum framrates, an average of 150 would rarely go below, say 80.

And you can cap high performing PC games aswell - vsync. With say an 85Htz refresh and a 110 fps average you are looking at almost a perfectly solid 85fps with perhaps the odd dip ~60.

And console games can dip too. if you lock a 42fps average game at 30 fps it doesn't stop it dipping to 25 now and then. The difference from average to minimum is no different in PC's and consoles.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Sweet so I should buy a X1800XT for $550 so it can be surpassed by the X360 in less than 6 months. Sounds like a great plan.

 

[KimB]

Sweet so I should buy a X1800XT for $550 so it can be surpassed by the X360 in less than 6 months. Sounds like a great plan.

Right, because the X360 is going to run at 625MHz and have a 256-bit dedicated memory bus at 1.5GHz.

 

[scooby_dooby]

No, it'll just have 10x's the developer support and be a close system that's all.

 

[KimB]

No, it'll just have 10x's the developer support and be a close system that's all.

Then don't compare it to a graphics card. God, if you prefer consoles just stick to consoles and leave PC parts out of it.

 

[pjbliverpool]

Sweet so I should buy a X1800XT for $550 so it can be surpassed by the X360 in less than 6 months. Sounds like a great plan.

Oh what a suprise. Yet another idiotic argument for next gen consoles being more powerful than the best PC's is wiped out and a console fan starts preaching about prices. I never saw that one coming.

 

[scooby_dooby]

What a surprise, a troll from PC vs Console is here to defend his precious PC.

This thread is about the X360 version of COD2 btw.

 

[pjbliverpool]

What a surprise, a troll from PC vs Console is here to defend his precious PC.

This thread is about the X360 version of COD2 btw.

Tell that to the guy who first mentioned the PC version running slower than the X360 version. All I did was correct him. What do you have against the truth?

 

[Junkstyle]

Local EB had a 360 koisk setup. I watched some meathead play COD2 for 10 mins. I was impressed at the quality and the framerate. I thought it looked beautifu especially for a rushed PC-port launch game. especiall compared to the performance of the demo running on a high-end PC. The gun textures looked alot better than the PC demo. I didn't notice that many jaggies at all. Enviro textures ranged from good to awsome. I guess thats the 512 ram limitation though. Framerate really was super smooth. Colors looked very vibrant on that samsung lcd.

That's interesting you didn't notice many jaggies because there was no FSAA at all.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Well for everyone who doesn't have a 1800XT is is running slower is it not?

Many people are complaining about alot of slowdown in COD, especially when going through the smoke, however the X360 is smooth as silk (so I hear)

 

[pjbliverpool]

Well for everyone who doesn't have a 1800XT is is running slower is it not?

Many people are complaining about alot of slowdown in COD, especially when going through the smoke, however the X360 is smooth as silk (so I hear)

Yes COD2 is slow on the PC if you turn the graphics up to high for your GPU. Why is that a suprise?

The original xbox could run COD2 faster than the PC if that PC was running a GF4MX. Does that mean we can say "the PC is slower than the original xbox"?

Not without explicitly stating that your not talking about any PC, your talking about an older one. Same with the X360. This game can run slower on the PC, but if you really want it to, it can also run faster than the X360 version. Of course it will cost more, but then you always expect that with a PC.

 

[AlNom]

Yes COD2 is slow on the PC if you turn the graphics up to high for your GPU. Why is that a suprise?

The original xbox could run COD2 faster than the PC if that PC was running a GF4MX. Does that mean we can say "the PC is slower than the original xbox"?

Not without explicitly stating that your not talking about any PC, your talking about an older one. Same with the X360. This game can run slower on the PC, but if you really want it to, it can also run faster than the X360 version. Of course it will cost more, but then you always expect that with a PC.

But the point is that at the same level of graphics and resolution, the common PC will suffer.

 

[fearsomepirate]

If your brains telling you to mess with the settings when you don't have to then you must be getting some pleaseure from it ;-)

Yeah, you're probably right. But right now, I'm trying to figure out how to write SSE code, because I have this feeling that it could help out my program and that g++ isn't making the necessary optimizations. Assembler = teh suck, and we have NO hard documentation around this place.

Um yeah. X360 COD needs some FSAA, darn it! I have this suspicion that COD2 isn't going to be the most technically competent next-gen title.

Edit: Sweet, I can edit my posts now!

 

[pjbliverpool]

But the point is that at the same level of graphics and resolution, the common PC will suffer.

At the same level of resolution and graphics, the common PC would struggle against a Gamecube.

Its hardly fair to compare the average PC to the highest end console if your discussing the technical merits of the two. Compare the average PC to the average games console or the highest end PC to the highest end games console.

Obviously not taking into account cost.

 

[KimB]

It's very hard to compare the two. What is high-end vs. high-end when the costs don't compare at all? But with most PC's out there today, you can typically invest in a $50-$60 graphics card upgrade that will boost its performance past that of any modern console. The same will be true of the next-gen consoles within a couple of years after their release.

 

[scificube]

I don't think there is a fair comparison to be found.

A race where one car is streamlined and where no expense has been spared on the other is not a fair race.

A race where one car is from a generation ahead of the other car is not a fair race.

A race where one car's mechanics have been given time to fine tune it while the other car goes out like it came stock is not a fair race.

We have to ignore fairness and accept that there are advantages and disadvantages in this when it comes to comparing consoles and PC's.

For the money there is no better performance to price ratio than can be found in consoles.
For the money (if you have it) no console can compete with a high end PC's on raw power.
PC hardware cannot hope to used to as close to it's full potential as hardware found in closed box systems.

There are pros and cons...lots of them, but who cares? If a platform gives you what you desire for what your willing to expend to get it who give a fark what anyone else thinks about it. I get what's best for me and on some days or even generations that's on PC on others what's best for me is on consoles. I could care less whether x,y, or z floats someone else's boat as long my own boat is sitting pretty above the water line....more power to em' I say.

 

[fearsomepirate]

The performance on the optimized final PC version running at 720p could easily exceed 100fps on a top end PC (Xfire X1800XT) with FSAA and AF.

Thats well in excess of the X360's 60fps.

You don't know what the X360 version could run at. The fact is there's no point to leave the framerate uncapped. I suppose the most that might happen if you did is get some frame tearing. Turn VSYNC on with a 60 Hz monitor, and now your Xfire X1800XT XX Edition X still runs the game at 60 fps.

I'm not saying Son of XGPU is more powerful than 2 X1800XT's; I'm just saying that you can't say "ah, it's only running at 60fps" and conclude that the chip's power is maxing out.

 

[KimB]

Nah, typically I'd say, "ah, it's only running at 720p," and conclude that the chip's power is maxing out.

 

[pakotlar]

There is really very little to discuss on the console issue. Consoles are more efficient in terms of hardware utilisation, and can offer great gaming at a low price point. PC's are [for the most part in a generational cycle] more powerful, but games don't reach the hardware mettle. PC's are superior for certain genres (currently), especially if you have the resources to buy cutting-edge high-end parts.

To me, PC's will always rule because of the level of customization they offer. I love tweaking my setup to just the way I want it. I love having my speakers positioned just right, close to me in front and behind. I love being able to set FSAA levels and AF levels, as well as the ability to not only play games, but also check out tech demos like ATI's Toy Store. My PC connects me to the outside world, and I quite frankly feel lonely without it (aim, news, science articles, computer websites, etc). But consoles have their place, and as I get older I realize that the gaming that I want to do is fulfilled better on consoles than on PC's. For every FEAR and HL2 I play on my PC, there are dozens of A-class titles I can play on my console. I used to shy from consoles due to the poor 3d models, poor textures, and low output resolution. But with the Xbox360 and PS3, I can hook them up to my 24" Sony Widescreen CRT or my 37" Plasma HDTV, and enjoy DD 5.1 surround sound from the comfort of my couch. This is a great sell to me. All at the relatively low cost of $400 +games. My computer room is set up like a lounge. It has a fouton opposite the computer screen, a good HT system with 2 nice bookshelf fronts, a 4 mid-woofer + 1 tweeter center, 2 rear bookshelf speakers, and a 10" downward firing sub, all within 4.5 feet of me whether im sitting in the chair or the fouton; an art-deco lounge chair, soft lighting, oriental rugs and tapestries round out the picture. It is a comfortable and relaxing place for me. Now that I can hook up the xbox360 directly to my computer monitor, I can relax here and play great looking, next gen games, reclined in the fouton, feet up on the chair. Now I can enjoy good resolution, high end gameplay, relaxing in my comfortable room, at a cheap price. And the selection of games is much wider, allowing me to cater to my tastes. This is my view.

 

[KimB]

PC's are superior for certain genres (currently)

And they always will be, due to the input interfaces, the output, the market, and the hardware. Just as consoles will always be superior for other genres.