XBox 360 launched in Japan

[Powderkeg]

Damn, speaking of idiots:

Listen guys, just to get a few things settled before we go on:

5. Launches of products never lie and always determine its eventual success, which only proves further the 360 will be a failure

Really?

And you are aware that in the PS2/Xbox generation, MS sold more units at launch than Sony did in North America, right?

Even Nintendo had more sales at launch than Sony.


So, what just happened to your theory, oh great wise one?

 

[Sis]

Yeah, that was credible until you fact in it was an online poll and Bill Gates ranked ahead of Miyamoto.

Last I heard, Bill Gates was actually rather well respected around the world and is considered a celebrity. It would not surprise me in the least if he placed higher overall over Miyamoto. (Unless you were making a different point that I missed...)

.Sis

 

[Sis]

Damn, speaking of idiots:



Really?

And you are aware that in the PS2/Xbox generation, MS sold more units at launch than Sony did in North America, right?

Even Nintendo had more sales at launch than Sony.


So, what just happened to your theory, oh great wise one?

He was joking.

.Sis

 

[expletive]

Listen guys, just to get a few things settled before we go on:

1. The xbox 360 will be nothing but a failure, by any measure, in japan
2. THere is no series of events, pricing, software, services that can change this
3. IF you think it there is a way it can be successful, by any measure, youre foolish
4. When it actually does fail in Japan, those who thought it could be successful will look very silly and stupid (and foolish)
5. Launches of products never lie and always determine its eventual success, which only proves further the 360 will be a failure
6. No one in JP cares about mistwalker, BD, LO, and no one will buy them

Can we close this thread now?

Oh boy. Ok this was SUPPOSED to be satirical on how unwavering each 'side' has been throughout this discussion. I dont really feel this way, but i felt it was laughable how some give MS NO chance at all Japan. All the facts point to ANY chance being slim but you gotta give them SOME chance. At times it had gotten a little ugly so i didnt think THIS list would raise people's ire, i was wrong.

Let me take this opprtunity to apologize for:

1. Insulting some people
2. derailing the thread
3. anythign i may do similarly in the future

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

 

[Nicked]

Last I heard, Bill Gates was actually rather well respected around the world and is considered a celebrity. It would not surprise me in the least if he placed higher overall over Miyamoto. (Unless you were making a different point that I missed...)

.Sis

Yeah. Hes important for sure, old Billy boy, but is he important in the Japanese gaming industry? No. Certainly not more than Miyamoto.

 

[Mmmkay]

I would check to see if Shenmue ever appeared on that list before I made that assumption.

Yeah, popularity amongst a niche community which wasn't reflected over the whole market. Shenmue still had around 200k in first week's sales. It just emphasises that it is the hardcore gamer who votes in such polls.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think the core relevance is not necesserily about 'numbers' per se but more the mindshare component. The poll shows at least people are aware of the game, they know its COMING. A game on the list thats not due out until the end of the year on a console with less than 100K units sold says something, i dont know exactly what but it bodes better for MS to have titles on the last rather off it. The list may not be as significant as some are arguing but theyre certainly not useless are they?

I think readers of Famitsu are very aware of things, but can't be relied upon to represent the country's buying populace. I'm sure a poll on this forum on say...would you prefer BRD over HDDVD, would give statistic where everyone here knows what they are, whereas such a poll in Woman and Home magazine likely won't. That's not to say readers of Woman and Home won't ever care about a format, but the topic doesn't enter into their world under it's launched and being advertised.

The problem with this poll is we don't know what percentage of Famitsu readers are XB360 owners, and we don't know what percentage of XB360 owners replied relative to other console owners. Like a TV poll that asks people to phone in at a cost of 25p+normal call fee on whether the death penalty should be brought back in the UK. If 90% vote Yes, we don't know if that's representative of 90% of the UK, or only 90% of the population who watch Channel 5. The result doesn't show either that perhaps the people who voted Yes are the sorts of people who want to spend 25p on a TV phone poll, and 90% of viewers who would mostly have voted no won't waste money on a phone poll. And still further what's the demographic of the people asked the question?
It could be that with a result of 90% voting Yes, 80% of people asked didn't care to give an answer, who would have answered no, and 90% of the country's population wouldn't watch Channel 5 if you paid them, and they too would generally vote no. It's possible for a small minority to hav a profound influence on poll results.

Statistics need qualifying to be of any use. One classic example is the results of the recent UK National Elections. The Labour Party won something like 60% of the seats. That suggests 60% of the public want Labour in office. But for all the elligable voters in the country, 40% didn't vote, and Labour got a little over 1/3rd the votes of those that did vote. So actually only 20% of the population said they wanted Labour in office.

For the Famitsu poll, we need to know how representative of the Japanese public Famitsu readers are, and high likely XB360 fans are to vote versus fans of other machines. Or perhaps, how representative Famitsu votes are of purchasing. Of course if the poll had hundreds of thousands of votes for BD, they're be statistically meaningful, which is why I asked.

 

[Sis]

Yeah. Hes important for sure, old Billy boy, but is he important in the Japanese gaming industry? No. Certainly not more than Miyamoto.

Yep, I missed your point :smile: I hadn't realized it was a poll done by Famitsu for gaming related importance.

.Sis

 

[expletive]

I think readers of Famitsu are very aware of things, but can't be relied upon to represent the country's buying populace. I'm sure a poll on this forum on say...would you prefer BRD over HDDVD, would give statistic where everyone here knows what they are, whereas such a poll in Woman and Home magazine likely won't. That's not to say readers of Woman and Home won't ever care about a format, but the topic doesn't enter into their world under it's launched and being advertised....

You know, if we were talking about Sony vs Nintendo in Japan, then i would agree 100%. The only reason i give some positive spin to these numbers is that MS will take ANY demographic it can get at this point. Mothers, hardcore, casual, weekend gamers, etc. So whatever these numbers represent (which given the longevity of famitsu doesnt represent just X360 owners) imo its "good" news for MS. Keep in mind though, good news for MS in Japan these days is very circumstantial.

 

[Magnum PI]

I'm pretty certain that people get to vote for multiple games on any of the systems. For 2 360 games to make the list is quite the accomplishment.

an accomplishment would be something like selling consoles

 

[Magnum PI]

The only reason i give some positive spin to these numbers is that MS will take ANY demographic it can get at this point. Mothers, hardcore, casual, weekend gamers, etc. So whatever these numbers represent (which given the longevity of famitsu doesnt represent just X360 owners) imo its "good" news for MS. Keep in mind though, good news for MS in Japan these days is very circumstantial.

Well xbox360 may be the preferred console among the the federation of ventriloquists or something like that, it means nothing for MS. But when you desesperatly need something positive, even something negligible will do it.

 

[mckmas8808]

Listen guys, just to get a few things settled before we go on:

1. The xbox 360 will be nothing but a failure, by any measure, in japan
2. THere is no series of events, pricing, software, services that can change this
3. IF you think it there is a way it can be successful, by any measure, youre foolish
4. When it actually does fail in Japan, those who thought it could be successful will look very silly and stupid (and foolish)
5. Launches of products never lie and always determine its eventual success, which only proves further the 360 will be a failure
6. No one in JP cares about mistwalker, BD, LO, and no one will buy them

Can we close this thread now?

No we can't close this thread, but thanks for being honest. :smile:

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Er, mckmas, you may wish to read some other posts from expletive in this thread... you know, it seems like he 'got you'...

 

[Tahir2]

5. Launches of products never lie and always determine its eventual success, which only proves further the 360 will be a failure

Not true, e.g. the PS2 launch was abysmal in Europe at least and remained that way for a few months before it picked up.

OK he got me too. Nice.

 

[mckmas8808]

Er, mckmas, you may wish to read some other posts from expletive in this thread... you know, it seems like he 'got you'...

Ah ha looks like he did. I guess I just agreed with his 1 through 6 points for the most part. I just want MS to prove to me that the Japanese care about the 360. But shouldn't we try to come up with what's success in Japan?

 

[Hardknock]

MS doesn't have to prove anything to you. You are mistaken.

 

[mckmas8808]

MS doesn't have to prove anything to you. You are mistaken.

You know what I mean. For me to believe that anything is going to change for them in Japan, they have to prove it. Not to me of course. C'mon man calm down a bit.:smile:

 

[DuckThor Evil]

The amount of people that didn't understand that expletive was being sarcastic is MINDBLOWING! Wake up people!

 

[Nicked]

MS doesn't have to prove anything to you. You are mistaken.

They don't have to, but they do want to. If all their PR and interviews are to be believed about the importance of Japan and why they are going to succeed there. They want everyone to know the Xbox360 is a success in Japan, or will be.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Rpg

They don't have to, but they do want to. If all their PR and interviews are to be believed about the importance of Japan and why they are going to succeed there. They want everyone to know the Xbox360 is a success in Japan, or will be.

Once good games are released (maybe Blue Dragon) then Xbox360 will be more desired but games available for today are more for Americans.