xbox 360 confirmed pricing

[Farid]

Attitude again? Why?

great. than in the future please at the two words "to me" at the end of your sentances. Because that's not what you rpost said.

Maddox will answer this one:

Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it

Also, what did that add to the conversation? If it's uninteresting "to you", then why did you post?

It simply added my opinion to the thread:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22121

BBS have been created, just like newsgroups, in the idea of letting members exchange their opinions about different topic of discussion.

Anyway, if you have something else to tell me about my opinion, use the PMs not the board.

The topic is X360 price.

 

[V3]

Anyone know if the PS3 will have rechargeable batteries either included or as an option?

If you want rechargeable batteries, you'd have to spend $32 more?

Or if you bought the Core and wanted to upgrade, you'd be spending $82?

The prices are structured in such way to make the Premium pack to sound like a bargain. This is just a cheap marketing tactic.

 

[NAP]

It's a good pricing. In Italy i believe that the x360 will cost 299€ for basic version and 399€ for the full one (I'm sure that I will buy this version). Anyway Microsoft says a big lie to us because he has made think to us that the HD was a device of the basic version instead the HD is a optional device like the PS3 approach, however it's not important but it's better specify this thing.

 

[pc999]

Great news for European buyers.

You can buy the core system for cheap or the fully featured one for a bit more, and even the fully featured one costs less than the original Xbox did. The cheap one is comparable in features to a DC or PSTwo, and barely more than the DC was at launch.

P.S. most Xbox games only used the HDD for streaming - some didn't use it all other than as a memory card. Whatever kind of personal happiness you can find in your own mind knowing that your console has a built in HDD, it isn't worth the cost to provide it for Microsoft, or for Sony, or for Nintendo. That's why they aren't doing.

It's one of those things. Deal with it. Most people didn't buy an Xbox becuase "iT CAn buFFer DatA on ThE HDD!!111". Infact, most people didn't buy an Xbox at all, they a system without a HDD, while MS lost lots of money on every unit they sold. The HDD can still be used for buffering data from the DVD, that's an option the devs can almost certainly turn on if the drive is present.

There would be much more than streaming games if HDD are standart like content and market place, or "simple things" like map (and much more) editor like there will be in Far Cry, then people or will have a HDD very underused or will buy ultraexpencive MC. So they are forcing us to buy the 400 version, but possible the HDD will always be underused and in the top of that they call us stupid, no thanks.

We dont care if it is cheaper if we dont have interest in the thing anymore.

 

[pso]

Damn...If you look at Major Nelson's blog that people left comments on, he's getting crucified...

Looking around at other forums, I see people posting the price revelation of MS today is just a way to "feel" out the customers. Since there's been a huge backlash, MS will drop the 2 SKUs and make only 1 version with a HDD for $299 and leave the rest of the accessories on the previous premium version, off.

It seems Xbox fans are really hurt by this announcement of prices, that they have to make conspiracy theories out it. But then again, i don't blame them. It's safe to say MS mislead alot of people.

 

[Carl B]

@Ty: Don't tell me you invested in Microsoft over the XBox division? Luckily for you, I think Microsoft will continue to make a fair amount of money in spite of whatever happens in consoles, good or bad.

What this thread has really demonstrated though was that for the people that were saying $400 was 'way too much' for a console when the talk was Sony's PS3 might cost that, it seems that opinions have changed.

Anyway I don't think the $399 in and of itself is an issue here, rather the seeming bait-and-switch with consumer expectations.

 

[pso]

@Ty: Don't tell me you invested in Microsoft over the XBox division? Luckily for you, I think Microsoft will continue to make a fair amount of money in spite of whatever happens in consoles, good or bad.

What this thread has really demonstrated though was that for the people that were saying $400 was 'way too much' for a console when the talk was Sony's PS3 might cost that, it seems that opinions have changed.

Anyway I don't think the $399 in and of itself is an issue here, rather the seeming bait-and-switch with consumer expectations.

Exactly.

 

[scooby_dooby]

So basically, North America got the shaft on this one it seems.

Especially canada, like who the hell can afford this shit? We don't make much more than americans per capita, and we're looking at $480+ with no games and 1 controller.

Weak man, weak....

 

[function]

So basically, North America got the shaft on this one it seems.

How did North America get the shaft?

 

[a688]

How did North America get the shaft?

Relatively higher price this gen compared to Europe. Europe is getting it for less than the original xbox while NA is getting it for more than the original. It = the premium version.

 

[pc999]

@Ty: Don't tell me you invested in Microsoft over the XBox division? Luckily for you, I think Microsoft will continue to make a fair amount of money in spite of whatever happens in consoles, good or bad.

What this thread has really demonstrated though was that for the people that were saying $400 was 'way too much' for a console when the talk was Sony's PS3 might cost that, it seems that opinions have changed.

Anyway I don't think the $399 in and of itself is an issue here, rather the seeming bait-and-switch with consumer expectations.

The problem is that if it is to much people wait till they can buy, but now we see that MMO can be much less, games like TES:O could have less features, voice enable games (both live and/or new interfaces) may be much less and have a much less importance, things like maps (and such) editosr will probably disapear, market place will have a much less importance etc... That take awy a lot of features at in so litle time from the future of entertienement, because Gflops arent the important thing anymore.

Anyway 400 it is too much, plus a game and live or extra controler, and that will leave a lot of people behind, 300 would much better IMO.

 

[function]

Anyway I don't think the $399 in and of itself is an issue here, rather the seeming bait-and-switch with consumer expectations.

What have they switched? Since the first leak MS never said a HDD would be standard. Everything that's slipped out has indicated it might not be standard. Common senses alone tells you it might not be standard after what happened last time.

It costs more than the original for the same basic tick box features. So what, that isn't representative of how good value the thing you're getting is.

 

[Carl B]

I hardly think North Americans got the shaft - rather, it seems the Europeans got slightly less shafted than usual. Though I imagine Sony will also follow the 'let's shaft Europe a little less this time' route as well.

 

[NRP]

To everyone who feels "betrayed", "ripped off", and/or "lied to": Just don't buy one. Wait a couple of months. If initial sales slump, MS will get the message loud and clear. It's always best to speak with your wallets.

Personally, I don't care about the launch price. My only concern is whether the lack of hard drive on all models will hurt the quality and immersiveness of the games. I guess we really need to hear from some developers about this issue.

I wasn't going to buy one until Halo 3 is released anyway.

 

[scooby_dooby]

What have they switched? Since the first leak MS never said a HDD would be standard. Everything that's slipped out has indicated it might not be standard. Common senses alone tells you it might not be standard after what happened last time.

It costs more than the original for the same basic tick box features. So what, that isn't representative of how good value the thing you're getting is.

At E3 the confirmed the x360's specs and they included HDD.

For the last 3 months xbox.com has listed the specs as including a HDD.

J Allard stated "The very first one we ship wil have a hDD"

And there's more.

Lets not start making excuses for them, a spade is a spade, and a lie is a lie.

 

[BlueTsunami]

At E3 the confirmed the x360's specs and they included HDD.

For the last 3 months xbox.com has listed the specs as including a HDD.

J Allard stated "The very first one we ship wil have a hDD"

And there's more.

Lets not start making excuses for them, a spade is a spade, and a lie is a lie.

Problem is..its sorta like a play on words. They are doing all those things, there just forcing you to get it in a "Beefed" up version. It is one of the first, it is being shipped with a HDD and the no matter what the HDD will be in "That" version. Its an obvious mislead and it may backfire on them.

 

[Carl B]

What have they switched? Since the first leak MS never said a HDD would be standard. Everything that's slipped out has indicated it might not be standard. Common senses alone tells you it might not be standard after what happened last time.

Did Microsoft at E3 not say that the hard drive would be 'standard?' I mean I might be confused, I admit - but I'm in the majority if so. Which is what matters - not reality, but perception.

I personally don't understand what you're defending, since there wasn't anything I was attacking in the first place.

 

[function]

Relatively higher price this gen compared to Europe. Europe is getting it for less than the original xbox while NA is getting it for more than the original. It = the premium version.

I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL!!??

Europe got absolutely shafted with the Xbox 1, so bad that it *tanked* at retail and they had to drastically slash the price almost immediately to £200 and do damage control by offering lots of free stuff.

But becuase MS aren't crapping on Europe this time that somehow means that NORTH AMERICA IS GETTING THE SHAFT!? That's an outrageous way to think.

Within weeks, Xbox 1 cost £200, what MS acknowledge *should* have been it's launch price. Xbox 360 costs MORE than this, at £210 and £280 - mirroring fairly closely the prices of the American packages. But because MS aren't making the same foolish blunder in Europe that they did last time at launch, and trying to massively overcharge in a manner they'd never dream of doing in America, that equates to America getting the shaft does it?

It's poor state of affairs when someone not attempting to mug Europe means someone else feels they're getting mistreated.

 

[pc999]

and it may backfire on them.

I hope that they sell all the consoles and 0 games .

 

[NAP]

Relatively higher price this gen compared to Europe. Europe is getting it for less than the original xbox while NA is getting it for more than the original. It = the premium version.

Anyway in Italy there aren't comforting opinions, for me the fact that the HDD is not a basic device it's an having fun (presa in giro) to us and this is a common opinion for the 80% of italian people