Yes. The X360 can support 1080p output for games over Component and VGA. It can also output 1080p movies over VGA (only 1080i over component).
Xbox 360 1080p – Why Not?
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Yes. The X360 can support 1080p output for games over Component and VGA. It can also output 1080p movies over VGA (only 1080i over component).
Easy answer: HDCP. If and when the movie studios decide to impliment this code into their movies then HDMI will be the only why to experience the full HD display. Question is can Microsoft then overcome this difficulty, when need be?
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HDCP is just protection system, If your player uses HDCP then the monitor also has to be HDCP compliant, but If the player doesn't use HDCP (like X360) it doesn't matter whether the display uses HDCP. In essence I have HDCP compliant TV and I can use my X360 on it.
What you really meant was that when studios decide to use ICT (image constraint token) in High def movies, then you need either HDMI or DVI with HDCP enabled connection.
2011 is SO far away and so much will happen between now and then. I dont think it would be wise to base a purchasing decision now, on something that may or may not affect you in 5 years from now. And Evil is right, its the ICT, not HDCP.
HDMI is not the only interface to support HDCP, DVI is as well.
On my Westy 42", the DVI and HDMI ports are both HDCP-ready.
That's a bit of a contradiction don't you think?
expletive said:
2011 is tentative... It could still happen sooner or later. HDCP is just as much a part of the TPM pie that the ICT is. Besides ICT isn't evil, it's just bad... The DOT is evil...
IGN's Article on the HDMI Topic was updated:
Saying
Microsoft just got back to us to clarify the Xbox 360's ability to transmit a digital signal. In short, it can, which means that Microsoft could conceivably release an HDMI cable for the Xbox 360. This is good news, and relieves a great deal of our concern over the Xbox 360's ability to effectively work with 1080p. Microsoft's full response is marked in the Q & A portion of this feature.
With this new information in mind, consider us relatively mollified. A future HDMI cable for the 360 will resolve the problems we outline in our discussion of 1080p compatibility. Let's hope Microsoft decides the market demands it sooner rather than later.
Linkage:
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html
Saying
Microsoft just got back to us to clarify the Xbox 360's ability to transmit a digital signal. In short, it can, which means that Microsoft could conceivably release an HDMI cable for the Xbox 360. This is good news, and relieves a great deal of our concern over the Xbox 360's ability to effectively work with 1080p. Microsoft's full response is marked in the Q & A portion of this feature.
With this new information in mind, consider us relatively mollified. A future HDMI cable for the 360 will resolve the problems we outline in our discussion of 1080p compatibility. Let's hope Microsoft decides the market demands it sooner rather than later.
Linkage:
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html
uh, but in the Text it says:
The platform certainly is flexible enough, that means the xbox(360) platform. Meaning it's flexible enough so they can at some point start manufacturing a xbox360 with HDMI connector built in.
So, the xbox360 you've bought, and will be buying until the next hardware revision that will possibly include digital out, doesn't transmit a digital video signal, and neither can work with a HDMI cable.
The platform certainly is flexible enough, that means the xbox(360) platform. Meaning it's flexible enough so they can at some point start manufacturing a xbox360 with HDMI connector built in.
That Q&A doesn't say that, from what I read. They state it doesn't support a digital out connection, but the platform is flexible enough to have one in the future. By that I understand that current XB360's can't have an HDMI cable added, but future SKUs could have. For current XB360's to receive an HDMI connection, there'd need to be a digital video out signal, which doesn't exist as I understand it. The only workaround would be to take a different digital signal such as USB and output the frontbuffer over that somehow, but I don't think there's any port with the BW to handle that.
I've heard a fairly plausible scenario of encrypting the framebuffer as it's sent out over an analog signal, as the 'analog scaler' is apparently quite flexible in what it can do. That is then sent to an external HDMI chip for conversion into a digitally transmitted signal. It's believed that the 360 was designed with a secure bus (I'm pretty sure they talked about this pre-launch on how 'secure' their system was) in mind so that if there was a need, it would be at least plausible to adhere to the HDCP requirements (hence the digital 'platform' comments). Given that this external solution would plug directly into the video output port, there's no real risk of attenuation or data loss as the encrypted framebuffer is sent out so in theory it should work fine.
The real issue would be the cost, given there would be a need for an ADC along with the HDMI chip. I vaguely recall Amir saying something along those lines many moons ago that they could have provided an HDMI solution but its cost would prove prohibitive in doing so. Of course, the volume these would be produced and Microsoft's apparent lack of care in their bottom line...
A PR checkbox until the units with HDMI ports built into the motherboard perhaps? We've seen the pictures of HDMI enabled boards so they should at least be on their way.
The real issue would be the cost, given there would be a need for an ADC along with the HDMI chip. I vaguely recall Amir saying something along those lines many moons ago that they could have provided an HDMI solution but its cost would prove prohibitive in doing so. Of course, the volume these would be produced and Microsoft's apparent lack of care in their bottom line...
A PR checkbox until the units with HDMI ports built into the motherboard perhaps? We've seen the pictures of HDMI enabled boards so they should at least be on their way.
So people are absolutely 1000% sure that the AV connector on the 360 has no pins for a digital video signal?
If you answer yes, I think you're kidding yourself.
And thus it's entirely plausible (IMO of course) that the current 360 could have a HDMI cable made for it with no difficulty at all.
If you answer yes, I think you're kidding yourself.
And thus it's entirely plausible (IMO of course) that the current 360 could have a HDMI cable made for it with no difficulty at all.
I don't think there's ever been any confirmation that it's analogue only, but by that same token don't you think if there was digital out, we'd have heard about it? Also wouldn't they need a digital out of sufficient BW to support HDMI? If they have that ability, why haven't they provided optional HDMI cables from day 1? Seems a nice consumable you could make some good profits on to me. The market might be pretty tiny, but the development cost, if just a wire, should be minimal.
Still, with 30 pins on the connector, the inclusion of digital outs could be included. Or the connector was selected to provide forward compatibility if MS ever decided to produce an XB360 with digital out on the same connector.
And maybe it's being held back like the 1080p update, for whatever reasons. I certainly wouldn't discount the availability of a cable for existing Xbox 360s at this point, anyway.
I get digital audio out, why not digital video? Clearly some form of digital output is supported.
I believe they answered that question before the 360 ever launched. They didn't see the demand for HDMI at the time because so very few people actually own sets that use it. I also recall them saying they could provide HDMI support if demand was high enough.
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IGN are idiots for making a big deal out of this. HDMI/DVI are not the exclusive methods of providing 1080p connectivity. Most recent DLPs, LCDs, and Plasmas, if they have 1080P display capability, can recieve 1080P over component and/or VGA. If not they can recieve 1080i over the analog cable and internally upscale the image such that the viewer cannot visually tell the difference.
Depending on the length of the cable, and the environmental interference characteristics of where the 360 is you should receive a clear, clean 1080P picture... Much ado about not a damn thing...
Depending on the length of the cable, and the environmental interference characteristics of where the 360 is you should receive a clear, clean 1080P picture... Much ado about not a damn thing...
Rys said:
I'll kid myself (although I'll only claim I'm 98% confident).
shifty geezer said:
Actually a surprising amount of the pins in the 360's connector are already used... They'd need at least 9 pins available to support HDMI and IIRC there's only 2 pins left unused in the current connector.
blakjedi said:
VGA? Yes (although it's also typically underscanned and not pixel for pixel (although some sets allow you to adjust that). Component? Rarely. Even with 1080 panels 1080p component input is quite rare and with the advent of DVI/HDMI, becoming even more so. You're more likely to find a nice high end old CRT RPTV that supports 1080p (150MHz) over component that you will on a newer, more modern 1080 panel.
You may be right... As far as I can see these TVs are 1080p component...
Samsung: LN-S4095D, LN-S4096D, LN-S4695D, LN-S4696D, LN-S5296D
Component (Y/Pb/Pr) in :2(480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p)
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