Worst day in Norway since WW2
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In your mind, prison should be a festering medieval hole where rats scurry over you, shit in your mouth when you try to sleep while other prisoners are being tortured around you.
Maybe Breivik deserves this, because he is a fucking child-murdering asshole, but we have civilisation here in Norway and we don't treat even the worst people that way.
Right now he is in solitary confinement awaiting trial.
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It was half sarcasim half serious. People who kill close to 100 people shouldn't have a cell with a window let alone a nice big one.
For people who commit less serious offenses like grand theft etc then yeah big window is no problem.
BTW I've been in state prison here in the US and the cell I was in didn't have any windows....and no I didn't kill anyone...lol.
For people who commit less serious offenses like grand theft etc then yeah big window is no problem.
BTW I've been in state prison here in the US and the cell I was in didn't have any windows....and no I didn't kill anyone...lol.
Yes, but if they're still mentally disturbed they would not be released, so that covers that.
Speaking of "modern" prisons, have a look at this here:
http://www.totalmania.net/justice-center-leoben
http://www.totalmania.net/justice-center-leoben
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Highly unlikely.
The most probable is something like this:
this is exactly standard french student housing (without the shitter, usually)
As much as I don't like the idea of overly comfortably prisons, Norways prisons apparently only have a repeat offender rate of 20% within the first two years, compared to 50% or more in the USA. Which system works better?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html
Such comparisons aren't terribly meaningful when the prisons in question are located in different countries with completely different societies.
I think there have been somewhat similar experiments in the US but I'm not sure how they turned out.
The system that is in the country with the smaller difference between rich and poor, almost by default (as long as the basic human needs like food and housing are generally met for all).
And by the way, a prison cell for any meaningful sentence without a window with natural right is downright stupid to criminal, if you understand anything at all about the human brain.
Well, pretty much anything I've ever read about criminal psychology states that traditional prison systems don't work. There is a certain moral element, that I'm not immune to, that makes you want to see serious criminals punished harshly, but the reality is that system does not, and has not ever, worked.
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Norway also has one of the highest standard of living in the world, with a rather even (socialist) distribution of wealth. Welfare is also pretty good.
I think that is much more of an explanation than comfortable prisons.
Furthermore it's not like these hotels for prisoners are cheap
Ps: Convicted killers actually get time of from jail on good behavior, without guards. And it has happen that these convicted killers actually murder someone while on their time off.
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If a murderer spends the rest of his life in prison it works for me.
I don't care whether or not it works for the criminal.
I don't want them to be released into my neighborhood....
Now does that work for YOU? Or do you want them released into YOUR neighborhood? If not why not?
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I'm all for life in jail/throw away the key, for the worst type of crimes and criminals.If a murderer spends the rest of his life in prison it works for me.
Now does that work for YOU?
In fact I wouldn't really mind like, walling in a huge area of farmable land, building a moat around the inside of the wall, and then flying in all the criminals who have made a life of crime their occupation and primary means of income via helicopters and lowering them down from above.
By this, I mean those criminals who have made it clear through their own actions that a "normal life" is not what they want, or is capable of living. Repeatedly committing violent crimes, getting jailed multiple times for serious offenses and so on.
We'd provide them basic farming and construction tools, and then they can fend for themselves there, ruling themselves as they see fit. If they all kill each other, so be it.
In any case, I'm against the death penalty.
I pay taxes too but the way I see it since I'm already paying taxes to law enforcement for catching criminals I don't have a problem paying to keep said criminals in jail. At the end of the day you have two choices:
1. Pay to keep the criminals in jail and know they won't be released back into the wild
2. Pay to rehabilitate them and hope that when they get released into the wild they won't return to their criminal ways in your neighborhood
One thing I hope will become mainstream is requiring inmates to do labor in prison to pay their own "rent" and food/utilities also pay taxes and fees for prison services like hair cuts, clothes washing and medical care and also purchases.
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