Windows 10 [2014 - 2017]

[orangpelupa]

I can easily copy and paste and move files around between the phone and the PC with no hassle, no drivers at all, no extra programs, and that helps a lot with my studies.
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weird, i'm using android (and symbian OS that works with generic mass storage since S^3)) for years and copying, moving files between PC x Phone is never a hassle, no extra driver, no extra program.

On the other hand with iPhone... last time i remembered my friend forced my to instal iTunes just to copy some file. uuuuuugh

as for windows phone, they now allow generic mass storage driver? or they still forced you to use "media device"?

 

[Cyan]

as for windows phone, they now allow generic mass storage driver? or they still forced you to use "media device"?

I use a regular 16GB SD card I recently got for 10€, but you can use hard drives and stuff like that now --I have no previous experience with Windows Phone before so I can't tell how it was before.

What I like about WP is the interface which imho is a notch over iOS and Andoid equivalents and the overall memory usage and speed. I am on a 512MB of RAM phone and everything runs fast, complex games even, emulators, etc.

weird, i'm using android (and symbian OS that works with generic mass storage since S^3)) for years and copying, moving files between PC x Phone is never a hassle, no extra driver, no extra program.

that's nice! just not my experience with my Android phone for years, which was never recognised by my PC if I didn't use an external program nor could I share photos and copy them to my PC in class despite the fact I have a USB to micro-USB cable. My previous phone was a Samsung too, I still have it around, and had 1GB of RAM but is much slower than my current phone.

On the other hand with iPhone... last time i remembered my friend forced my to instal iTunes just to copy some file. uuuuuugh

I guess so, Linux uses EXT file system, Windows uses NTFS and Mac OS devices uses HFS Plus -I think Apple's phones use this too-, so it doesn't come as a surprise if incompatibilities like that arise with proprietary devices and closed environments like Apple's.

 

[orangpelupa]

@Cyan yups Windows phone with lower spec is crazy lean and fast and stable and consistent and problem free compared to Android with higher spec. About your Samsung refuse to connect to computer, that is weird. But android often do wei... Goddammit my keyboard got auto closed by android while typing this and Firefox refuse to add new line. Bloody android..

 

[BRiT]

@Cyan yups Windows phone with lower spec is crazy lean and fast and stable and consistent and problem free compared to Android with higher spec. About your Samsung refuse to connect to computer, that is weird. But android often do wei... Goddammit my keyboard got auto closed by android while typing this and Firefox refuse to add new line. Bloody android..

I'm sorry but your karma with hardware gods is hilariously bad.

 

[orangpelupa]

@BRiT on the flip side, it makes me know how to repair android, windows, Xbox, phone, ps, 3ds, tablet, tv, etc. Glad most of my stuff is self repairable but now I realized it's only ps vita that has not broken even once lol

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

You should start a youtube channel and film yourself using your electronics. No way one person can have so much stuff breaking down handling stuff in anything even remotely resembling a normal use case

I had my watercooling leak one time while the pc was turned on. Nothing broke. The MB eventually gave up 6 months after and I had to regualry clean the IDE port because it started to rust but it took some time.

Yanked out my old AMD 64 out of its socket a couple of times together with the cooler (don't try to remove your cooler without having your pc on first a couple of minutes...) bending all the pins. Did that half a dozen of time and never had any issues with the cpu after bending the pins back. Short circuited the psu once by accidentally having one of the molex connectors touch something inside the case. Sparks flying but nothing broke. The only time I had something break down on me was when my friend was gaming on my pc. Didn't take 5 minutes before smoke was coming out of the psu. Still the only thing that broke down was the psu.

My friend and my younger brother might be a little bit like you Oran All their stuff always breaks down as well. Obviously without it being their fault

God I remember my brother complain about his phone always breaking down. Each time I asked what happened he'd always come up with some story how by accident his headphones got stuck or whatever swinging the phone over his shoulder sending it flying to the floor at mach 3.

He was surprised something broke.

 

[Blazkowicz]

that's nice! just not my experience with my Android phone for years, which was never recognised by my PC if I didn't use an external program nor could I share photos and copy them to my PC in class despite the fact I have a USB to micro-USB cable. My previous phone was a Samsung too, I still have it around, and had 1GB of RAM but is much slower than my current phone.

Maybe the phone was using that braindead MTP protocol, and I don't know which versions of Windows have support for that built-in - it should be a given that Windows 10 does. XP and perhaps Vista likely don't.
On Linux where you have more incentive to upgrade OS, I did find myself with the file manager supporting that stuff even on a crappy PC and an old but still developed and maintained desktop environment (Gnome 2 / Mate)

Windows is / was weird with its routine of saying "Installing a driver for xyz device" on the bottom-right, even just when plugging a simple USB drive. Like WTF, it's an entirely ordinary USB storage device, don't "install" the driver just use the existing one and mount the drive.

 

[Cyan]

@Cyan yups Windows phone with lower spec is crazy lean and fast and stable and consistent and problem free compared to Android with higher spec. About your Samsung refuse to connect to computer, that is weird. But android often do wei... Goddammit my keyboard got auto closed by android while typing this and Firefox refuse to add new line. Bloody android..

darn, so many problems. Still they are good to learn, if you need to fix someone's computer or phone or whatever one day -I guess you are into the computer technology field- your vast experience will be of more help than anything else or any theoretical exam where your mark is a 10.

Yes, the phone is high quality for a 80€ phone. I just have to pay an extra 3€ for about 24 months and that's it -I pay 42€ a month for internet, phone and landline, all-in-one-

I don't have the money to buy a very expensive phone as of currently. But I don't mind, in actuality I am just waiting for the future Surface Phone, which is a Windows Phone but with an Intel x86 processor in it, and that could easily be a revolution, just imagine a phone capable of running your everyday OS and apps!! I just wet my pants thinking of it. (iBall Splendo or Intel Compute Stick, Lenovo's version of that, all of them might suit my need for small devices I can carry anywhere as a regular PC for now)

 

[orangpelupa]

@Blazkowicz yups even when you change USB port, using same USB device, windows will install mass storage driver again

 

[tuna]

I guess so, Linux uses EXT file system, Windows uses NTFS and Mac OS devices uses HFS Plus -I think Apple's phones use this too-, so it doesn't come as a surprise if incompatibilities like that arise with proprietary devices and closed environments like Apple's.

Linux has shitloads of file systems built in. I do not think any Android phone uses ext4.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Spend the last three days dicking around with W10 but I'm going back to W7 tomorrow. I actually like the new look but the OS simply isn't finished and there is too much user hatred going on. You cannot easily remove the this pc folders, you cannot easily get rid of onedrive (fucking icon keeps coming back even though I uninstalled everything), the start menu is a disaster. You cannot pin your own apps, well you can but not if you want them on the left side of the menu. By default you get that retarded lockscreen. WTF why do you get than on a desktop? whats the point? The alphabetical ordering is retarded and makes it hard to find anything. Also it keeps showing some stuff I uninstalled like contact (now shows up as @microsoft blabla). Too much stuff that doesn't work anymore either. Booting to steam big picture mode with your controller? Forget it. Played witcher 3 a bit and performance is worse compare to W7 as well. Some weird stuttering going on.

The OS isn't faster than 7 either. Yeah after a fresh install with nothing installed but even with the very limited amount of software I have installed W10 on a Samsung 500gb 850 evo isn't faster than my 2 year old W7 install on a old 64gb ssd.

Maybe if DX12 becomes a must in a year or two I'll give W10 a try again. Hopefully buy than MS came to their senses and kicked whoever is responsible for Retard10 and got shit working.

 

[Arwin]

I would never willingly go back to 7! The multi-screen support alone would be too much, and I love pinning things to the task bar and those context menus. I don't use apps at all, btw.

 

[Rikimaru]

What? Win7 can pin programs on taskbar.

 

[Kyyla]

Yeah Win7 on my work desktop feels positively ancient now.

 

[orangpelupa]

With the horrible and confusing and convulted w10 start menu, now my Taskbar filled with icons lol.

 

[Albuquerque]

What? Win7 can pin programs on taskbar.

Win7 can't do this on a per-monitor basis in multi-monitor configs.

Win10 fixes SO MANY multi-monitor broken things from prior Windows versions

 

[Cyan]

Spend the last three days dicking around with W10 but I'm going back to W7 tomorrow. I actually like the new look but the OS simply isn't finished and there is too much user hatred going on. You cannot easily remove the this pc folders, you cannot easily get rid of onedrive (fucking icon keeps coming back even though I uninstalled everything), the start menu is a disaster. You cannot pin your own apps, well you can but not if you want them on the left side of the menu. By default you get that retarded lockscreen. WTF why do you get than on a desktop? whats the point? The alphabetical ordering is retarded and makes it hard to find anything. Also it keeps showing some stuff I uninstalled like contact (now shows up as @microsoft blabla). Too much stuff that doesn't work anymore either. Booting to steam big picture mode with your controller? Forget it. Played witcher 3 a bit and performance is worse compare to W7 as well. Some weird stuttering going on.

The OS isn't faster than 7 either. Yeah after a fresh install with nothing installed but even with the very limited amount of software I have installed W10 on a Samsung 500gb 850 evo isn't faster than my 2 year old W7 install on a old 64gb ssd.

Maybe if DX12 becomes a must in a year or two I'll give W10 a try again. Hopefully buy than MS came to their senses and kicked whoever is responsible for Retard10 and got shit working.

As Arwin and others mentioned, it's not easy to switch back once you get used to 10. I use Windows 7 on a daily basis -great, stable OS- and have Windows 10 at home, so I am not missing Windows 7 -I preferred Windows 8 already, as weird as it sounds-.

Have you installed the Windows 10 November update? If you download a Windows 10 ISO it is there already. That update fixed my only issue with a driver in Windows 10 -a driver caused the DPC Watchdog Violation, which is a serious matter, and happened randomly, rarely.. but it was there-. Edge thought it still needs improving, and is the only issue I have now with the bundled apps of the OS. Windows 10 Voice Recorder for instance, is the opposite in its simplicity, it saved the day for me a few times in some apps and uses the advanced M4A audio format.

 

[Albuquerque]

Over the weekend, I made fresh copies of my gaming rig backups and then wiped + reloaded that box. It was the only box to have moderate issues for the Win7 -> Win10 in-place upgrade, mostly centered around the C600 chipset / storage challenges. I used this as an opportunity to get myself moved to UEFI + GPT, get my stinkin' AHCI mode turned back on (long story), and "just to see" if a perfectly clean load somehow helped performance.

The short, short version is: I can now firmly place the majority of my Win10 upgrade hiccups directly at the feet of my Intel DX79SI motherboard, as evidenced by the challenges during a clean install. USB drives become intermittently bootable, SATA controller decides to completely ignore my SSD after a drive firmware upgrade, at one point the board halted with a POST code that reflects an IDE / ATA controller issue, even though there isn't an IDE port on this board. Turned out to be PCI ASPM got enabled during a firmware reset while I was trying to figure the SATA issue.

After an hour of jerking around with it, Win10 is cleanly installed in AHCI + UEFI mode. Got all my backups restored and verified all is well, and then went on to play some Fallout 4. I was greeted by a hiccuping, pausing mess.

Turns out that Windows 10 still enables the crap-tastic Core Parking "feature", where it suspends individual cores as a way to drive you batshit crazy trying to figure out the hiccups. Had to go dig up the necessary registry keys to turn off the stupidity, and all was well with the world once again.

 

[Davros]

Win10 fixes SO MANY multi-monitor broken things from prior Windows versions

Didnt nview/hydravision also fix those issues ?

 

[Albuquerque]

Didnt nview/hydravision also fix those issues ?

Not fully, no. Also it's now native to the OS, built into the video presentation stack and agnostic of hardware platform. Compare this to a 3rd party user-space application which has meaningless dependence on specific hardware yet is fully at the whim of dumb things your OS does to video device detection / hotplug status (docking, undocking, sleep states that disconnect your monitors, etc.)