Only wired as far as I'm aware. Which is as good as not working at all in my book.
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Only wired as far as I'm aware. Which is as good as not working at all in my book.
The 360 pad is already wireless. Was from day 1 as far as I'm aware. The lack of a wireless dongle for the new pad smells of a lack effort on Microsofts part to me.
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That's promising at least. I'll remain extremely sceptical until I get to see how useable it is first hand though.
Silent_Buddha
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Go down to the local supermarket or gas station and buy a pre-paid VISA cash card. It works like a credit card and you can load however much money you want on it at your local supermarket/gas station. At least here in the US we can.
Or see below...
If it works like Office 365, just buy the version that comes with 5 Desktop installations AND 5 tablet installations (10 total) for a minor cost increase over the 1 Desktop AND 1 tablet installation. And I don't expect them to deviate too far from their successful Office 365 model.
Of course, like Office 365, you can opt for a far more expensive (assuming you upgrade regularly to the newest version) standalone version.
If it works like Office 365 (again, why wouldn't it?), then you can pre-load at anytime to extend your service. See below. So that's a non-issue.
You don't have to have a recurring credit card charge in order to have Office 365. I don't. You can do it just like Xbox Live subscriptions. Buy it in yearly or monthly discrete chunks. You can preload those chunks whenever you want.
This applies to Davros above as well. You can buy these yearly/monthly time chunks at local electronics stores (they're even available at gas stations in the US) and apply them to your "subscription" whenever you wish.
Here's what I do. Similar to Xbox Live. I have the product (comes with a 1 year subscription). I wait until I see Office 365 (1 year) go on sale at a retail or e-tail outlet. I buy it at a greatly discounted price. Then I pre-load it on my Office 365 subscription.
Doing that I'd have to use a standalone version of the same Office suite for approximately 8-10 years before it becomes as cost effective as just using Office 365. Meaning no upgrades for 8-10 years, while my Office subscription gives me every product upgrade as part of the cost.
Windows should be the same.
Stand alone non-subscription. Most expensive version if you upgrade with every version.
Recurring automatically billed subscription.
Non-recurring subscription. Least expensive version.
If you don't need it all the time, just pay for the months you actually use it. Even cheaper. I have some laptops that I only use about 2-3 weeks a year. Imagine if I only had to pay a one month subscription for that instead of having to buy a standalone Windows license for it?
I hated the idea of a subscription model as well, until I tried Office 365 and saw how bloody cheap it was over owning a non-subscription version. And I love the non-recurring subscription model.
Regards,
SB
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DmitryKo
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Build 10122 is coming to the Fast ring .
From the Twitter feed:
"We have a GREAT build in hand, but seeing frequent crashes in Spartan with AMD on it."
"No other big known issues, otherwise it's pretty buttery goodness."
"We're working with awesome AMD team on new drivers which should fix, but probably a week out. Would go to Fast ring only."
"Not tonight (it's after 10:00PM here) but we'll get it out as quickly as we can."
"10122"
From the Twitter feed:
"We have a GREAT build in hand, but seeing frequent crashes in Spartan with AMD on it."
"No other big known issues, otherwise it's pretty buttery goodness."
"We're working with awesome AMD team on new drivers which should fix, but probably a week out. Would go to Fast ring only."
"Not tonight (it's after 10:00PM here) but we'll get it out as quickly as we can."
"10122"
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I'm still using Office 2007 I think which I paid something like 79€, renting if for 8 years at 69€/year = 552€, clearly not a good deal. (And I really don't need latest version.)
Best I can find for Office 365/2013, is 99€ for 2013 single licence, vs 49€/year for 365, so after two years you'd be paying more, dunno about you but I keep my office suite a lot longer than that, so no, it's a good deal for MS but clearly not for me.
(Yes the Office 365 version with 5+5 licences is a better deal, it's interesting how MS stopped selling multi licence Office version to promote it...)
So morale is : corporations do what's best for them, not their customers, it's more expensive to rent a software than to purchase it.
Best I can find for Office 365/2013, is 99€ for 2013 single licence, vs 49€/year for 365, so after two years you'd be paying more, dunno about you but I keep my office suite a lot longer than that, so no, it's a good deal for MS but clearly not for me.
(Yes the Office 365 version with 5+5 licences is a better deal, it's interesting how MS stopped selling multi licence Office version to promote it...)
So morale is : corporations do what's best for them, not their customers, it's more expensive to rent a software than to purchase it.
I agree with that. I'm actually paying 10 euro a month now I think, which doesn't really make sense, though I use it on 3 PCs now and 2 iPads, so that helps a little bit (this is allowed under this licence) - versus buying a licence x5 (400 euro) it would be profitable if I do really want the latest version all the time (which I do). Would be a better deal if Windows 10 is included in that package though.
Before this, I could get the latest version of Office for 15 euro indefinitely because my work pays Office licences - that was a much better deal.
Before this, I could get the latest version of Office for 15 euro indefinitely because my work pays Office licences - that was a much better deal.
Jackalito
Newcomer
Thanks for that. Oh well, I guess I'm used to suffering from AMD drivers, so I will give it a try when they release the new build.
I have Microsoft Office Student 2013 and they offered me the Office 365 deal but I don't want it. It might be useful for Arwin to a certain extent -especially at work-, but I hope that standalone, non subscription based, Office doesn't disappear.
Windows 10 will be better protected against malware. Malicious people upgrading too?
http://www.winbeta.org/news/newer-v...ing-against-malware-according-security-report
Yay, I am eligible to upgrade my Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro!
That's fundamental for me, because I am not sure Home version has certain features. I use several languages in my PC, my native Galician one, English, Spanish, sometimes Portuguese, and I don't remember the Home version to be flexible in that sense (autocorrecting is a characteristic I certainly like a lot).http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-spells-out-upgrade-paths-windows-10
Another good change, Windows 10 for mobile phones will wrest updates control away from the carriers.
http://www.networkworld.com/article...oes-something-else-right-with-windows-10.html
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Silent_Buddha
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Ouch you can get a 1 PC Office 365 1 year license for as low as 20-25 USD (depending on sale and discounts) here in the US. The Stand alone discounted is around 110 USD. So I was a bit off. MSRP is not as good. 70 USD for the 1 year sub and 140 USD for the stand alone.
Regards,
SB
I look at NZ's largest online PC place (where I buy my stuff from, going to get a new SSD from them next week and install win 8 on it (*))
office 365 1 PC 1 year = $90.85nz
office 365 5 PC 1 year = $136.85
office 2013 $171.35
So a no brainer, subscription = bad deal.
Though I notice now a lot of PC's come with office 365 included for 1 year free (well not really) hmm I wonder why
QUESTION
(*) I have the same windows 8 license (well 8.1 version) on this PC with a HDD. I can stick a SSD in this PC, and stick this same windows 8 license onto it, I assume?
Or is it going to complain that license is already in usage?
Ta Zed
office 365 1 PC 1 year = $90.85nz
office 365 5 PC 1 year = $136.85
office 2013 $171.35
So a no brainer, subscription = bad deal.
Though I notice now a lot of PC's come with office 365 included for 1 year free (well not really) hmm I wonder why
QUESTION
(*) I have the same windows 8 license (well 8.1 version) on this PC with a HDD. I can stick a SSD in this PC, and stick this same windows 8 license onto it, I assume?
Or is it going to complain that license is already in usage?
Ta Zed
Silent_Buddha
Legend
You should be fine. If it's only a storage change (SSD) then it should automatically activate itself without requiring a call to MS. Assuming you haven't done many hardware changes in the past 6 months.
And yeah, looks like MS needs to do some work on how much it's charging for Office 365 in some countries. In the US it's pretty good, but that NZ example is horrible.
Regards,
SB
Yeah, of course. Software subs are designed to make you pay more for the same thing, not less. It's like "episodic gaming" like Valve tried to introduce - and so spectacularly failed with. You offer a couple hours' worth every now and then for less than full price of a regular retail game, but not AS much less as your episode is shorter than a regular game. Or, well, maybe not these days, because games now are generally shorter than they used to be ten years ago.So a no brainer, subscription = bad deal.
Though I notice now a lot of PC's come with office 365 included for 1 year free (well not really) hmm I wonder why
DmitryKo
Veteran
It owes to ever-increasing complexities and costs of game development. In 1993, iD software was able to make DOOM with a team of 2 programmers, 3 game designers and 2 artists and profit from shareware distribution. Today, an A+ game takes in excess of 2 million USD and a few years to complete, and probably only makes profit on consoles but not on the PC.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
And what did you expect? Games now are more expensive than ever to create. And they are also so frigging cheap now compared to 10 or 20 years ago (adjusted for inflation).
A 60 USD game now was 48.63 USD 10 years ago and 38.25 USD 20 years ago when adjusted for inflation. 20 years ago some computer games were sold for 80 USD (125.48 USD in 2015 dollars). And yet it costs 2-3 times as much to make a game now as it did 20 years ago (3-4 times as much when factoring in inflation) and about 10-20 times (20-40 times with inflation) as much (or more) to make those games as 20 years ago.
So, yeah, what do you expect? Gamer's are cheap bastards that cry if the price goes up inline with inflation. How many gamer's would pay 125 USD for a game now days when they cry and cry and cry about how 60 USD is expensive and publisher's are greedy?
The only way publisher's and AAA developer's can survive and continue making games in most cases is DLC. Be thankful that exists or we'd likely see even shorter games with less polish.
Oh and since this is a Windows thread. Microsoft Windows is massively cheaper now than it was 10 or 20 years ago as well.
Regards,
SB
As it should be. Reinventing wheels isn't innovation.
The fact that WinXP still is the second most popular Windows version illustrates why Microsoft is considering a subscription model.
Expect? Did I say I 'expected' anything? I was making an observation, that's all. So keep your crabby remarks to yourself next time, okay?
Thanks, Yeah I expect it should just work, I did stick a new gfx card in it a couple of weeks ago (PITA I do shutdown and now the PC doesnt stop making a noise for >10 minutes later)
No the fact that Office (with subscription) now earns way more than (non subscription) windows, (reversed how the earners were years ago, when windows was the major earner) shows them they prolly can earn more cash this way
My point was more, give them a year free, let them get used to using the software and then remove it & say you wanna keep using it you haveto pay. Many companies do this method
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