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On desktop it was never gone, they just removed the blurring/frosting effect in Win8/8.1 but left transparency (even if it's not as transparent as it was in Aero)
Some additional information on Edge.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...-high-performance-asm-js-and-no-more-activex/
http://arstechnica.com/information-...-high-performance-asm-js-and-no-more-activex/
DmitryKo
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Build 10.0.10114 has been spotted, not going to be released for Insider Preview though.
Where would you say this is noticeable? Because...I really haven't seen it anywhere. (From what I can tell), the only transparent stuff is the task bar and when you do stuff like alt-tabbing, mini/maximizing windows and such effects. There's hardly any persistent transparent action going on in the interface anymore in win8 like there was with aero.
Could be Windows 10 the last "physical" Windows?
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-cloud-operating-system-arrive-2020-according-new-rumor
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-cloud-operating-system-arrive-2020-according-new-rumor
Depends on your definition of "physical." Windows 8 and later operating systems (and their equivalent server flavors) can already be used as a Type-1 Hypervisor. If you enable the built-in HyperV role for any of these OSes, your "native" OS really isn't anything of the sort -- it becomes a "guest" of the hypervisor.
A few weeks ago I dropped a "Whodathunk it? Palladium Project really has happened..." into the forum squawk box, I don't think anyone has ever realized that Microsoft's broken dream from a decade ago really ever came true. Secure boot? Encrypted, partitioned OS? Lower-security, lower hardware access (via abstracted drivers) guest partitions? It has all happened; it's all in Windows 8 and it's only getting stronger in later OS versions -- I'm looking at you, Windows Universal apps.
See also my post in this same thread, many pages ago: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/windows-10.56128/page-12#post-1833602
Now, as for a "cloud OS"? That's pretty difficult to pull off reliably. Not because Microsoft couldn't do it technologically, but because internet infrastructure still isn't there yet. VDI is a strong presence in modern enterprises, this is simply the next logical step if you ask me. Just as Office365 Enterprise makes a lot of sense for specific use cases, so too would a whole Windows 365 model. Temp employees? Contractors? Why give them a piece of hardware and pay for an OS license for someone who will only be there for three months?
I'm doubtful that 2020 is when the on-prem host OS dies, but I wager that's a good time (if not earlier) for it to start being a real option.
A few weeks ago I dropped a "Whodathunk it? Palladium Project really has happened..." into the forum squawk box, I don't think anyone has ever realized that Microsoft's broken dream from a decade ago really ever came true. Secure boot? Encrypted, partitioned OS? Lower-security, lower hardware access (via abstracted drivers) guest partitions? It has all happened; it's all in Windows 8 and it's only getting stronger in later OS versions -- I'm looking at you, Windows Universal apps.
See also my post in this same thread, many pages ago: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/windows-10.56128/page-12#post-1833602
Now, as for a "cloud OS"? That's pretty difficult to pull off reliably. Not because Microsoft couldn't do it technologically, but because internet infrastructure still isn't there yet. VDI is a strong presence in modern enterprises, this is simply the next logical step if you ask me. Just as Office365 Enterprise makes a lot of sense for specific use cases, so too would a whole Windows 365 model. Temp employees? Contractors? Why give them a piece of hardware and pay for an OS license for someone who will only be there for three months?
I'm doubtful that 2020 is when the on-prem host OS dies, but I wager that's a good time (if not earlier) for it to start being a real option.
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Blazkowicz
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Cloud OS seems like something you would do in 1975 
. I was not around, but people would dial into a mainframe with a 300 baud modem (if that) and the CPU time was billed.
. I was not around, but people would dial into a mainframe with a 300 baud modem (if that) and the CPU time was billed.
Humorously enough, this is exactly right. Centralizing compute on a single, large mainframe was a cost savings feature compared to having dozens, perhaps hundreds of individual "fat client" workstations of the time.Cloud OS seems like something you would do in 1975
The advent of cheap PC's drove the pendulum in the opposite direction for decades, and now here we are again. Centralized compute is so cheap, along with the argument for centralized licensing, including the billable pay-as-you-go models of yore.
Give it another few decades
Blazkowicz
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Attaching a USB drive or HDD to a "Windows Cloud" machine seems horrid, at least if you have the usual broadband internet with slow upload.
On the other hand, the OS or apps you're using remotely now have access to symetrical gigabit networking (or similar). Say your DSL gives you 15Mbps down, 1Mbps up : "virtual" remote OS has quite literally 1000x faster access to cloud storage, cloud apps or servers and the wider Internet, at approximately half the latency.
In fact I don't think something stops you from doing that today on a Windows server instance with RDP, or linux with something like NX, besides costs and managing it yourself. Or using some VDI software.. which is not worth it for a handful users sessions or even a single one.
On the other hand, the OS or apps you're using remotely now have access to symetrical gigabit networking (or similar). Say your DSL gives you 15Mbps down, 1Mbps up : "virtual" remote OS has quite literally 1000x faster access to cloud storage, cloud apps or servers and the wider Internet, at approximately half the latency.
In fact I don't think something stops you from doing that today on a Windows server instance with RDP, or linux with something like NX, besides costs and managing it yourself. Or using some VDI software.. which is not worth it for a handful users sessions or even a single one.
Blazkowicz
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It's right up there with the death of the keyboard and the death of cables, it has no frigging chance to happen!
.. or so thought I, now tablets/phones without physical keyboards and with "Wi-Di" - or however display over wifi is called - are a thing. But still hardware that is very much keyboard and cables oriented still is coming out (e.g. Intel NUC)
Even the physical book isn't quite dying soon.
So, new products and technology will come but in addition (and sometimes replacement) to the more traditional ones.
What's not working is when I try to pretend tablets don't exist. That's silly, because we have people/kids who have started on them or only ever used them. It took me a couple years to get over the fact people use youtube to play music (What? do you not realize how much CPU and bandwith is wasted? plus the sound sucks and no playlist)
I love to be a grumpy man in denial but I have to acknowlege reality. Btw I most want a "cloud OS" accessed from any web browser where I can have a winamp clone and a file manager with some 300GB of music. So I can just play some music instead of throwing the grumpy man's tirade : "in my days, we listened to mp3 you know. and we had either local storage, or vast storage from a NFS mount over 100 BaseT which still beats your puny wireless. You didn't even have to remember a song's name. Hell, not even an artist's name. By the way, folders are called directories not folders."
Very interesting... And how do you enable that option then? Do you need to be a certified corporation or user? I heard nothing of it back in the day and from the Palladium Project article it has been "eons" ever since this was envisioned.
You are a traditionalist, and I can understand why after reading your post. Tablets and smartphones are good for typical uses, for people who want to create things that's another story.
That's how the times are these days, but my 27 years old sister for instance, prefers a laptop to a tablet or similar. I am in the same ballpark. I think you can just do more with a classic laptop or desktop computer.
The mention of directories makes me think you had to deal a lot with mem.sys, config.sys and autoexec.bat.
I am glad DosBox exists nowadays, it makes life much easier. Wish I could remember the names of some programs (not applications) , that used to play MOD and S3M music files many years ago. There were some talented people making music in the PC scene and I would like to have those programs back.My most recent MSDos experience was playing Ultima VIII under DosBox, a game that EA gave for free for a month -I think you are still in time to get it if you are interested and have an Origin account. The sound has the charm of the old sound in games. The very first moments of the game show a campfire and the sound is so welcoming and charming.
Silent_Buddha
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I was shocked when I found that out as well. But what was even more shocking.
People rip the music from Youtube to MP3 to play to mobile devices.
Er, what? There are even DJ's (DJ's for christsake) who rip music from Youtube to play at gigs they DJ at. WTF???Regards,
SB
You must be on Win 8.1 and later, and it must be either the Pro or Enterprise SKU. You can add it from the Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> Add Windows Features -> Go find "Client Hyper-V" in the list. Follow the traditional "next, yes, continue, finish" prompts and reboot. Tada, you're now a guest inside your own Type-1 Hypervisor. You can now also spin other VM's that are supported by Hyper-V, which includes a good selection of modern Linux distros too.
Ah yes, thanks, I've found it. It was already installed --I had the Pro version from day one, I purchased W8 as an upgrade from Windows 7, and it just cost me 30€.
I checked the option Hyper-V, then the OS began to search for files, but I felt fearful I could do something wrong and stopped the operation. I am very very curious about it, but I guess I don't need it, maybe if I were part of a corporation where security is essential...
Still, I don't rule out using that option when Windows 10 comes out, although I am kinda techy savvy when it comes to security and I don't get into much trouble with spyware, virus, bloatware, etc. If I know what I am doing, then I'd be happy to try that, especially because of the the ability to install other OSes under that hypervisor. That's quite interesting.
When you're out and about in the city, no way you could hear the difference between a shitty re-compressed youtube track and a lossless high-bitrate version, so it's maybe not so strange people do this. Also, the price is right (free!), so many probably listen to these songs at home too.People rip the music from Youtube to MP3 to play to mobile devices.
Considering how loud the music is at clubs and the ambient noise and so on - again, would you really hear the difference?
Blazkowicz
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With youtube, better to rip the audio as-is than to encode it as mp3, the audio can be e.g. AAC 128K or perhaps some Vorbis. Use your own software rather than a webform on a shady site. That's passable quality but just six or seven years ago, youtube music was a shitty mp3 from a random bad encoder, uploaded to a 240p video with whatever low bitrate shitty, different codec comes with it. Now the original source is a CD rip and the audio codec and bitrate is that comes with 360p/480p video (higher "p" uses the same audio)
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