Why does Xbox One have a Bluray player?

[Silent_Buddha]

Just be reading the advertising papers around here physical media represents a big chunk of the space. THe change i see is how much space that is allocated in the stores for old stuff, fast in, fast out is the way it works now. And then they keep the constant sellers in stock, the rest is gone.

It's heavy advertising and it works for both the stores and the console manufacturers. Somehow i doubt that advertising with download codes in the papers will work as good. Its like advertising for the competition.

Yes advertising via box art on retail store shelving is good free advertising. Nothing says you can't have the redeemable game code in the same sized box on the shelf, or a similar sized package with the same box art and advertising blurb.

Regards,
SB

 

[Silent_Buddha]

I remember reading that on Doom's release on 10th december 1993 there were severe Internet outages , like crashed routers, overwhelmed servers, ditto BBSes. Everyone was rushing to download the freely redistributable shareware version. But it's just a mention I once read, dunno how it was.

Another problem you can more easily find testimony of is the network code was really crappy in Doom v. 1.0 and 1.1 - it used broadcast packets - and it would cause big network congestion, on university and corporate networks of course. The networks were crappy I guess, 10 Base5 or 10 Base2 ethernet which didn't improve things.

Yes, I remember my first Doom multiplayer LAN experience on 10 base 2. What a PITA it was to setup back then. And PC networking hardware wasn't cheap either.

Also remember when it was finally possible to do it point to point over analog modem. That was a PITA as well.

Regards,
SB

 

[MrFox]

LOL. Most of social media is the very definition of FUD. The sad part is that most people don't even realize it.

Yes it is, but it's very random, uncontrolled, and not really corporate FUD. And you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.

Off topic: Social media is not a source of information, it's usefulness is to cross reference other sources quickly. I'm saying corporate FUD and manipulation doesn't work anymore, at least not to the extent that it worked in the past, that's because of social media structure and speed. It's too risky because when they get caught it spreads like wild fire within hours. Trying to delete the video on youtube also triggers the Streisand effect. Trying to edit an interview, and getting caught with the unedited part being leaked on youtube also spread like crazy and no DMCA notice can take it out. This situation didn't exist a decade ago.

 

[-tkf-]

Yes advertising via box art on retail store shelving is good free advertising. Nothing says you can't have the redeemable game code in the same sized box on the shelf, or a similar sized package with the same box art and advertising blurb.

Regards,
SB

Of course not, and they are already there. But taking a game home and getting that instant play is far away from entering codes then waiting for a game to finish downloading . I would have saved time by just buying the game online.

The problem is, that can be done TODAY and yet people still go to the store and get their disc.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Of course not, and they are already there. But taking a game home and getting that instant play is far away from entering codes then waiting for a game to finish downloading . I would have saved time by just buying the game online.

The problem is, that can be done TODAY and yet people still go to the store and get their disc.

But the reason for that is because consoles have not had day and date availability for all software sold through DD as they have with optical. Hence, it isn't terribly relevant to determining how many will do DD on the upcoming generation of consoles. The only thing that is close is PC software distribution which is what both Sony and Microsoft are moving towards with PS4/Xbox One.

Regards,
SB

 

[AlphaWolf]

Of course not, and they are already there. But taking a game home and getting that instant play is far away from entering codes then waiting for a game to finish downloading . I would have saved time by just buying the game online.

The problem is, that can be done TODAY and yet people still go to the store and get their disc.

PC gamers pre-load their game and start playing it at midnight of release day. Many console gamers will be doing the same.

 

[-tkf-]

But the reason for that is because consoles have not had day and date availability for all software sold through DD as they have with optical. Hence, it isn't terribly relevant to determining how many will do DD on the upcoming generation of consoles. The only thing that is close is PC software distribution which is what both Sony and Microsoft are moving towards with PS4/Xbox One.

Regards,
SB

But they do know don¨t they? at least it's my impression that on the PS4 many games are released at the same time.

PC gamers pre-load their game and start playing it at midnight of release day. Many console gamers will be doing the same.

Of course, those that already use DD will but it's not like everyone that owns a PS3 or 360 sits up at night just to play a game when it's launched, far from it.

DD will have to provide a substantial financial incentive in order to beat the disc, the disc is simply of a higher value at the same price. Not for everyone but obviously more than Microsoft thought it would be.

Ohh and i just filled my 500GB drive in my PS3 mostly with PS+ downloads... yet another reason optical is a good choice

 

[AlphaWolf]

Of course, those that already use DD will but it's not like everyone that owns a PS3 or 360 sits up at night just to play a game when it's launched, far from it.

No, but not everyone wants to run to the store to buy it when they can just click download instead. And they can have it downloaded and ready to go when the game launches.

DD will have to provide a substantial financial incentive in order to beat the disc, the disc is simply of a higher value at the same price. Not for everyone but obviously more than Microsoft thought it would be.

Ohh and i just filled my 500GB drive in my PS3 mostly with PS+ downloads... yet another reason optical is a good choice

DD has a substantial convenience incentive over physical media, that's what's killing optical right now.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

DD has a substantial convenience incentive over physical media, that's what's killing optical right now.

Can I download to my PS3, take that download copy to a friends, and play it then and there? Nope. Best case is I can go round his house and download a copy, which isn't what I'd call convenient.

Both systems have pros and cons that consumers value. As long as that's true, there'll be a market for both

 

[AlphaWolf]

Can I download to my PS3, take that download copy to a friends, and play it then and there? Nope. Best case is I can go round his house and download a copy, which isn't what I'd call convenient.

If you download to a portable device, yes you can. If you like to take your games to friends, just download to a flash device or external drive.

You're probably going to have a significant mandatory install with your physical media anyway, so you're going to have a wait when you get to your friends if you bring a disc.

 

[-tkf-]

No, but not everyone wants to run to the store to buy it when they can just click download instead. And they can have it downloaded and ready to go when the game launches.

DD has a substantial convenience incentive over physical media, that's what's killing optical right now.

Not everyone but enough runs to the stores to keep optical in the next generation consoles.

And you fail completely to understand that dd isn't convenient for everyone, not even close to it.

The only convenient thing is not having a disc to store. Instead you give up space on your console. Discs can be bought online and left at your door on launch day. They can be resold, borrowed and played on your friends system. And they work when the net os down and install quicker than a re-download.

Ohh and remember this is blu-ray so disc swapping should be very rare, it's not technology from the 90s anymore

 

[-tkf-]

If you download to a portable device, yes you can. If you like to take your games to friends, just download to a flash device or external drive.

You're probably going to have a significant mandatory install with your physical media anyway, so you're going to have a wait when you get to your friends if you bring a disc.

So you are saying store all your games on a external hard drive? Or harddrives? Very convenient to drag your hard drive to your friends if you want to play instead of a 12cm disc

 

[Aenima]

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The only convenient thing is not having a disc to store. Instead you give up space on your console.
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I am under the impression that the whole disc has to be installed, at least on the Xbox One. It will not load the game from the disc while gaming(thankfully, due to low transfer speed optical vs. HDD). You would have to "give up" space on the console regardless.

 

[Cjail]

Both systems have pros and cons that consumers value. As long as that's true, there'll be a market for both

In theory yes, in reality DD on consoles is not as good as it could be.

 

[-tkf-]

I am under the impression that the whole disc has to be installed, at least on the Xbox One. It will not load the game from the disc while gaming(thankfully, due to low transfer speed optical vs. HDD). You would have to "give up" space on the console regardless.

I think this will be the case as well, but i will have a local copy of that data on my disc when i want to play the game again.

Both consoles are spec'd with a 6x speed drive which on paper is 216Mbit, handily beats my 20mbit download. 15 minutes to copy 25GB to my harddrive vs downloading . Of course it remains to be seen how fast the actual install process will be.

 

[Gubbi]

I think this will be the case as well, but i will have a local copy of that data on my disc when i want to play the game again.

Both consoles are spec'd with a 6x speed drive which on paper is 216Mbit, handily beats my 20mbit download. 15 minutes to copy 25GB to my harddrive vs downloading . Of course it remains to be seen how fast the actual install process will be.

It's CAV, so 89 to 215 Mbit/s, with an average of 152Mbit/s for a full disc (but discs aren't full).

Cheers

 

[MrFox]

It's 20 minutes to copy a full layer at 6x CAV, but the interesting thing is how soon you can play which is the time required for the first segment, and the rest you install while you play. One GB will take only 38 seconds because it will by at the fastest edge. The first 5GB will take about 3 minutes.

 

[Bigduo209]

It's CAV, so 89 to 215 Mbit/s, with an average of 152Mbit/s for a full disc (but discs aren't full).

Cheers

Next-gen consoles increased data requirements would make installs longer, but higher-speed disc drives and new compression techniques can probably offset some of that.

 

[AzBat]

Next-gen consoles increased data requirements would make installs longer, but higher-speed disc drives and new compression techniques can probably offset some of that.

I had hoped that MS would use the cloud-paging technology from Numecent's spin-off company Approxy. That would help some of the issues with large game sizes.

Tommy McClain

 

[-tkf-]

It's CAV, so 89 to 215 Mbit/s, with an average of 152Mbit/s for a full disc (but discs aren't full).

Cheers

Thanks!

Still fairly faster than my 20mbit