Why Arabs Lose Wars

Why Arabs lose Wars?

Hmmmm....and here I thought it was because they all got their manuals from the French. ;)

(Edit for typo...bah...early morning jitters!)
 
Finally finding time to read the entire article I must say that although I obviously can't verify most of his statements, I found it remarkably well-written and reasonable. It also rhymes well with what I heard when I did my military service.

Speaking of which, there is an interesting thing I came to think of. Many of my officers had been on various UN missions and said that the US army suffered from problems not unlike some of (definitely not all) those described in the article. Namely, a tendency to put rank above all else. E.g. when a Swedish (or indeed any) soldier wanted to communicate something to a US officer, the US officer first checked the rank of the prospective speaker and let that decide whether he should listen or not.

(From the Swedish side, that is routinely managed by temporarily adjusting the soldiers' ranks in advance of a mission. Generally they are moved up a step, unless someone is a 2nd lieutenant (fänrik in Swedish) in which case they are moved down to sergeant instead; the reason being the tendency of the US corps to view 2nd lieutenants as inexperienced snobs fresh from West Point, while the sergeant is seen as possessor of vast amounts of down-to-earth competence.)

Another thing they reported was the extreme specialisation of the US army (compared to the Swedish army), where the tank driver could indeed drive a tank very well, but not much else. It should be noted however that this was not stemming from any cultural tendency to withhold information, but rather an effect of having a professional army. It's reasonable to assume that it's often not the intellectual elite of a country that chooses to be a machinegunner for a living.

I don't say this to make the US army look bad. These are remarks on an entirely different scale than that in the article, and the US army has proven to be very effective in battle. Following a US look at Arab armies however, I thought it could be interesting with a Swedish look at the US army! The Swedish army is one of the "flattest" organised in the world (or so I have been told), and although Sweden hasn't had a war since 1814 it has time and again in UN missions proven to function very well. How it would measure up against the US army given equal manpower and equipment I do not know and would rather not speculate, but my last point is that the issues brought up by the Swedish officers should not be dismissed out of hand as coming from people with no experience.

Finally, I'd like to emphasise that the above statements are neither my first-hand experience nor normative; they're just observations made by Swedish officers, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Military Culture

After having dealt with the Arab (Read: Saudi) military wrt their training I'd actually say that was a pretty fair, if not lenient, assessment.
 
Arabian culture is extremely non-confrontational in nature. That is why they lose wars... they just don't shoot back when they are being shot at because it's considered to be extremely bad manners.

LOL.

MuFu.
 
Arabian culture is extremely non-confrontational in nature. That is why they lose wars... they just don't shoot back when they are being shot at because it's considered to be extremely bad manners.

LOL.

MuFu.

Really? I thought it was more a latency effect while processing how to pull the trigger on a russia made AK47. The instructions don't really help.
 
Legion said:
Arabian culture is extremely non-confrontational in nature. That is why they lose wars... they just don't shoot back when they are being shot at because it's considered to be extremely bad manners.

LOL.

MuFu.

Really? I thought it was more a latency effect while processing how to pull the trigger on a russia made AK47. The instructions don't really help.

Were the instructions in Russian? :LOL:
 
Yeah. Pictures of a Russian man....pulling...a trigger. All this object oriented learning is just too much to keep track of on the battle field.
 
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This level of racism is not acceptable in these forums. Please refrain from any such posts in the future.
 
Now, can somebody remind me of some of the reasons that the current "Roadmap for peace" in the Middle East isn't currently working? :rolleyes:
 
I am sorry about the racism i try my best to control emotions but we are at war i hate arabs, and they hate israelis.
 
Israeli said:
I am sorry about the racism i try my best to control emotions but we are at war i hate arabs, and they hate israelis.
hatred will only lead you(israelis) to kill them and they (arabs) you. At some point both of you need to either decide to live together in peace, live in peace separated by a wall, or to just dig a big enough grave for everyone to fit in.

later,
 
well dont mean to be rude or anything but you Americans/British/French are not much better , i mean who exterminated the Red Indians >? / The Austrailian Natives the Aboriginals/ the Maori people of New Zealand and slavery in Africa. Just remember that you so called "civilized westerners" have more blood on your hands than anyone else.

Whats happening in the middle east is simply the opposite ie we are taking back what god promised us, so this peace settlement will only rip out part of our country, All israelis must oppose it, and arab should be thankful for a glass of water let alone a country of his own.

I would feel alot better if somone would just tell me when the Albatron FX5900 will be realeased and how much it will cost i posted a thread on this but none replied.

thanks
 
Israeli said:
well dont mean to be rude or anything but you Americans/British/French are not much better , i mean who exterminated the Red Indians >? / The Austrailian Natives the Aboriginals/ the Maori people of New Zealand and slavery in Africa. Just remember that you so called "civilized westerners" have more blood on your hands than anyone else.

Whats happening in the middle east is simply the opposite ie we are taking back what god promised us, so this peace settlement will only rip out part of our country, All israelis must oppose it, and arab should be thankful for a glass of water let alone a country of his own.

I would feel alot better if somone would just tell me when the Albatron FX5900 will be realeased and how much it will cost i posted a thread on this but none replied.

thanks
2 things:
-more native americans died from diseases brought by the europeans, than by forced relocation. (diseases were also taken back to europe.)
-why not learn from the mistakes of others than, the israelis are clearly at a disadvantage, when you consider that there are more arabs, and that countries surronding them are trying to develope nuclear weapons. No offence but the israelis are the ones that need to be the bigger person and take the first few steps to peace.

later,
 
Whats happening in the middle east is simply the opposite ie we are taking back what god promised us, so this peace settlement will only rip out part of our country, All israelis must oppose it, and arab should be thankful for a glass of water let alone a country of his own.

Actually, it is my understanding and that of most sane minded individuals don't agree with the sentiments you express. This is a mainly European flaw. ;)

The Jews of the region (Palestine) lived and continue to live or wish to continue to live with their Muslim and Christian neighbours in peace as friends. I suppose that's why there are continued reports of Israelis of Palestinian descent continually helping other Palestinians and the Palestinian organisations trying to fight for Palestinians consider Palestinians as Muslims, Jews and Christians which orginally inhabbited the area. I suppose that's why there are reports of Israelis no indigenious to the region treating the aforementioned Israelis poorly.

This dispicable nationalism -- racism in disguse -- was brought over by refugees from World War II and the majority of them wouldn't be there if it wasn't for again a European Jewish lobby.

Additionally, the God arguement doesn't hold water, one must believe the religion to agree with it. Not everyone does so you can't use that as reason. I'm sure I could just as easily point to Christian and Islamic holy texts showing that Jews don't have any claim to it and since more people believe in those religions those win by majority. Again, none of that reasoning works for reasonable individuals.

And the West's past doesn't justify Israeli action. It's called learning from history otherwise be doomed to repeat it -- funny how that's working out.
 
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