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Microsoft's is still planning to ship two different versions of its Xbox 360 console at launch, according to sources close to the company - while reports suggest that the high-end version may feature the firm's WebTV system.

It's long been thought that Microsoft plans to ship two different Xbox 360 bundles, one with a hard drive and one without, and give users the option of upgrading the low-end system with a hard drive accessory.

Sources close to the firm have confirmed this week that there's much talk of two distinct price points, which seems to indicate that this is still the plan for launch - while a report on well-connected gaming blog Kotaku gives an indication of how the two different models will be differentiated.

The site reports that the basic edition of Xbox 360 - the version without the hard drive - will not have backwards compatibility, while the "premium" version with the hard drive will ship with Microsoft's WebTV functionality built-in.

WebTV is Microsoft's effort at bringing internet communication and media functionality to the living room, and includes basic functionality such as web, e-mail and IM access along with the ability to stream music and video channels from the 'net or from local PCs.

Integrating the system with Xbox 360 would be a logical move, and a major land-grab for Microsoft in this space - which is tipped to become more important in the coming years as increasing amounts of content are broadcast over the Internet as opposed to over traditional TV networks.

A major question mark over the possibility of a the two-tier Xbox launch, however, lies with the question of customised content - one of J Allard's most vaunted goals for the new system - and how that would tie in with a low-end Xbox 360 without a mass storage device.

One part of the answer to that question is the inclusion of a high-capacity solid state memory device with the system, which wouldn't be large enough to store music or movies in any significant volume - or to act as a cache for Xbox games, as the existing Xbox' hard drive does - but would be able to act as a cache customised game assets.

Indeed, last year Israeli flash memory specialist M-Systems confirmed that it is working on a memory solution for Xbox 2, with CEO Dov Moran stating that "when users want to save their e-mail messages, copy music, or anything like that, the only storage they’ll have is what we give them."

Another part of the answer to that question may come from Kotaku's sources, who indicated to the site that around 80 per cent of the systems produced for launch would be the "premium" version - suggesting that the lower-end model is, more than anything else, a concession to launching a competitively priced "games only" system.

Sony is also widely expected to launch multiple versions of the PlayStation 3 console, which is due to arrive in 2006, with both "home media server" and stripped down "basic console" versions believed to be on the cards.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=8108
 
Oh boy, I wonder how long it will be until people chastise MS for doing the same things Sony is goign to do? :LOL:
 
I dunno. But probably not the same ones who've chastised Sony when talking about hypothetical situations like this in the past, but think it's a good idea now.

Gee, isn't that game FUN? :p

For myself, I maintain that giving more consumer options is always a good thing. It CAN bite companies in the ass, but it's up to them to figure the best way to take advantage of it, rather than be taken advantage of. As with anything, there are correct and incorrect ways to go about it.
 
I propose Microsoft sell 3 versions:
One called the Xbox 360
One called the Playstation 3
One called the Revolution

Should be interesting.
 
But probably not the same ones who've chastised Sony when talking about hypothetical situations like this in the past, but think it's a good idea now.

I hope you weren't talking about me, as I've never done that. I only chastised them for the theoretical linking of many devices to combine processing power for some unknown reason. ;)

I totally want my console to have media center like abilities. Infact I wanted that PStwo PVR system, but it never arrived here (it's cancelled now)?

noithing wrong with a choice between the base system and the version with all sorts of bells and whistles.
 
I'd pay extra for a hard disk version of a console with an integrated PVR. One less box required underneath the TV.
 
Mariner said:
I'd pay extra for a hard disk version of a console with an integrated PVR. One less box required underneath the TV.

I definitely see Sony going that route if they offer multiple versions - it's very 'PSX,' but that being said, I hope they don't offer multiple versions.

I would just rather both consoles come straight-up, with all the extra features as additional add-ons you can buy. I suppose though if buying it initially in an 'upgraded' configuration will save money over buying it piecemeal, I'll find myself being one of the very people that buys an upgraded version at launch.

But on that very topic, in the past I've bought my console of choice at launch - this time I'm going to play it a little slower and perhaps wait for a price drop, if the launch titles are not compelling.
 
I won't be surprised if the built in hard disk version comes with a HD-DVD player instead of a DVD drive.
 
if the normal version is 250$ the hardrive is 350$ that wouldn't be to bad . Wish the hardrive cersion came with a hd-dvd drive though .
 
Qroach said:
I hope you weren't talking about me, as I've never done that. I only chastised them for the theoretical linking of many devices to combine processing power for some unknown reason. ;)
Nah. Just commenting that that type of statement goes all directions quite easily.
 
Is it possible to add an add-on HDD to the basic version of Xbox 360?

Qroach said:
Oh boy, I wonder how long it will be until people chastise MS for doing the same things Sony is goign to do? :LOL:
Sony doesn't offer a home server built with Cell until 2007 so it won't sell a premium version at the launch.
 
If 80% of production is the premium SKU with the hard drive, then basically, games are going to assume the presence of a HDD?

That might lead to some disenchantment from gamers who find they can't use certain features in the games they buy because they bought the lower-priced SKU.

It's basically going to encourage developers and gamers to get the premium SKU. Why not dispense with the basic SKU altogether?

Because it's insurance in case Sony comes out with low-priced SKU as well?
 
wco81 said:
If 80% of production is the premium SKU with the hard drive, then basically, games are going to assume the presence of a HDD?

That might lead to some disenchantment from gamers who find they can't use certain features in the games they buy because they bought the lower-priced SKU.

It's basically going to encourage developers and gamers to get the premium SKU. Why not dispense with the basic SKU altogether?

Because it's insurance in case Sony comes out with low-priced SKU as well?

Well those people that buy the lower cost version will be able to upgrade to a hard disk. You get what you pay for. I'm for a non hard disk version as long as the base unit comes with plenty of RAM. There is only so much that can be fit into a $300 base unit. I say cut the hard disk and make it optional.
 
Still curious if HD version will be required for LIVE. Don't see much data streaming off the HD now. Devs will only support the lowest denominator for max profits. ANyway if its an external HD I wonder if its a USB2.0 device which will be slow or they repinned an ATA-133 cable + power, or something proprietary. Interesting.
 
It would be nice if the stripped down version had a HDD bay like the PS2 for future HDD upgrade. It would also be nice if the DVD drive is removable so that you can just plug in a HD DVD PC drive in the future assuming Xenon includes HD DVD playback software from Cyberlink.
 
PC-Engine said:
It would be nice if the stripped down version had a HDD bay like the PS2 for future HDD upgrade. It would also be nice if the DVD drive is removable so that you can just plug in a HD DVD PC drive in the future assuming Xenon includes HD DVD playback software from Cyberlink.

Well to have a removable DVD drive to later plug a HD DVD drive in means you'd need a standard size PC DVD drive in your Xbox, and that's quite chunky if you ask me... And it would look awful!

It's much more likely to have a custom/modified - smaller - drive in the Xbox2.

That is, unless MS later releases a Xbox2 HD DVD drive to swap with your old one... :?
 
Yea, and it would be nice if it had some expansion slots inside the machine for additional memory, that you could in future pop in a "PPU unit", maybe even add another "graphics unit" that would work in SLI, and a slot for "digital tv units" and upgradable "audio unit" for future codecs (DD+, MPL Lossless, new dts whatever codec...)
..........
 
london-boy said:
PC-Engine said:
It would be nice if the stripped down version had a HDD bay like the PS2 for future HDD upgrade. It would also be nice if the DVD drive is removable so that you can just plug in a HD DVD PC drive in the future assuming Xenon includes HD DVD playback software from Cyberlink.

Well to have a removable DVD drive to later plug a HD DVD drive in means you'd need a standard size PC DVD drive in your Xbox, and that's quite chunky if you ask me... And it would look awful!
It's much more likely to have a custom/modified - smaller - drive in the Xbox2.

That is, unless MS later releases a Xbox2 HD DVD drive to swap with your old one... :?

First of all it wouldn't be chunky if MS designed the console with a full height 5.25" drive right from the beginning. The drive is only about 1.5 inches high so you wouldn't need to make the console height/width higher than that depending on the console orientation. For example with a little imagination this could be a console that would also fit in your stereo home theater rack: ;)

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Second, it wouldn't have to look ugly at all, all you'd need is a cover like HTPC aluminum cases that have a door that hides the drive.

rabidrabbit said:
Yea, and it would be nice if it had some expansion slots inside the machine for additional memory, that you could in future pop in a "PPU unit", maybe even add another "graphics unit" that would work in SLI, and a slot for "digital tv units" and upgradable "audio unit" for future codecs (DD+, MPL Lossless, new dts whatever codec...)
..........

Don't get your panties in a knot...a HD DVD drive doesn't need ANY extra software support since the DVD software is already included in the Xenon anyway. If the PS2 has a slot for a HDD, I don't see why it's any different from having a optical drive slot for strickly HD movie playback. Games playback wouldn't be affected since HD DVD drives can read DVDs. As long as no games are released on HD DVD, the market wouldn't get fragmented like all the crap upgrades you listed above. :LOL: ;)
 
1.) At or around Dreamcast's launch in Japan, WebTV software was made available for it. late 1998 or early 1999.

2.) there was talk in 2002 of an "Xbox 1.5" aka HomeStation that would combine Xbox and UltimateTV (WebTV)


so this will be, kind of, the third attempt to bring WebTV capability to consoles.
 
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