Supposed futuremark score on 6600

[AlphaWolf]

At $200MSRP, it will make obsolete the 9600XT/X600XT.

It would except that you can buy a 9600xt for ~$130.

 

[Sdw]

Will the 6600 be available in both AGP and PCI-E versions?

 

[Sxotty]

Will the 6600 be available in both AGP and PCI-E versions?

The rumors are that is will be PCI express with a HSI providing backwards compatibility to agp.

 

[Pete]

At $200MSRP, it will make obsolete the 9600XT/X600XT.

It would except that you can buy a 9600xt for ~$130.

True, but not in retail--at least, not without a bundle of rebates.

 

[whql]

At $200MSRP, it will make obsolete the 9600XT/X600XT.

It would except that you can buy a 9600xt for ~$130.

True, but not in retail--at least, not without a bundle of rebates.

pricewatch list numerous 9600xt's in the ~$130 range. surely 6600 won't be the competition for x600/9600 though, but whatever rv410 turns out to be?

 

[max-pain]

Introducing the GeForce 6600: The Doom 3 GPU

http://gf6600pdf.uw.hu/GeForce6600.pdf

 

[KimB]

One thing we do have to keep in mind, I suppose, is that some of the bandwidth savings tech of the 6800 may have been stripped from the 6600 in the interest of cost. I would hope not, but I suppose until we see some FSAA/AF tests, we won't know for sure.

 

[Dave Baumann]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=346272#346272

 

[Rys]

A few more, mine included.

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=566&cid=2
http://techreport.com/etc/2004q3/geforce-6600/index.x?pg=1
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04MTc=

Rys

 

[Dave Baumann]

I guess, then, that few have cottoned on to RV410!

 

[Rys]

I hinted at it, but little more. NVIDIA's own comparison with X600 XT is a little misleading, so I tried to make the reader think about what ATI has coming up.

Rys

 

[Mariner]

Wow! The Hothardware preview is completely clueless. At total regurgitation of the PR material and the reviewer obviously has no idea that ATI is planning release a chip to compete with NV43. Also, I find statements such as:

While the GeForce 6600 doesn't compete with the X600 on a performance level, it is the most economical version available from either company.

are just daft without looking at the hardware first, especially considering the standard 6600 should outperform the X600XT by a fair bit! It has 20% more fillrate and that's before considering that X600 doesn't have Hier-Z, either.

Techreport's preview, too, was little more than PR regurgitation. These types of things seem pretty pointless to me - you can read the same information direct on NV's web site, after all.

Hexus' preview was much better as they at least realised that ATI are planning a like-for-like competitor!

 

[Joe DeFuria]

A few more, mine included.
...

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04MTc=

Rys

Performance [of the 6600 non ultra] relative to other well known parts is unkown at the time of writing, but I'd expect it to sit around old Radeon 9800 Pro levels or thereabouts.

I wouldn't: the 6600 non ultra likely has about half the bandwidth of a 9800/Pro! I'd epxect performance of the 6600 non ultra to sit around the old 9500 Pro levels.

 

[Rys]

Cheers Joe, I agree now I've had a think about it. I'll fix it up.

Rys

 

[jvd]

are just daft without looking at the hardware first, especially considering the standard 6600 should outperform the X600XT by a fair bit! It has 20% more fillrate and that's before considering that X600 doesn't have Hier-Z, either.

of course it does

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/quickbyte/20040609/x600-01.html

 

[Mariner]

are just daft without looking at the hardware first, especially considering the standard 6600 should outperform the X600XT by a fair bit! It has 20% more fillrate and that's before considering that X600 doesn't have Hier-Z, either.

of course it does

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/quickbyte/20040609/x600-01.html

Eh? Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.

The X600 series (which is fundamentally a modified RV350) does have "Hyper-Z III+" but this does not include Hierarchical-Z - this is what I meant when I said Hier-Z. I was just to lazy to type out "Hierarchical"!

 

[jvd]

I'm pretty sure hyper z includes hierachical z . Though i'm not sure as i can't find any info

 

[Dave Baumann]

There is no HiZ on the RV3x0 products - reading the reviews here would tell you that.

 

[Ailuros]

As it's been already noted in medium resolutions and without AA/AF (or with lowest samples from either/or) a 6600GT will score quite nicely with different applications.

In fact it's supposed 3dmark03 default score is pretty close to the 6800nonU score; then again it's 8*500 vs. 12*325 and bandwidth differences (16 vs. 22.4GB/s) start to show themselves in higher resolutions than 1024*768.

For a 200$ price point there isn't really much to complain about.

***edit: I just read (a tad late) a 3dCenter relevant article; apparently the NV43 has 1/4th the ROP count of the NV40 models....

 

[KimB]

Whether it's bandwidth or fillrate limited is largely independent of resolution. In fact, higher resolutions will tend to be more fillrate-limited than bandwidth-limited, as z-buffer compression rates will be higher, and texture cache hits more frequent.