State your questions about the R300:

maskrider said:
OpenGL guy said:
maskrider said:
1. When will ATI officially support 1280x960 resolution (and of course the other HTDV standard resolutions) ? (1280x960 is available from Nvidia long time ago, I have to use PowerStrip to get it with 8500 and 9700)
1280x960 is working fine for me with my Radeon 9700. I've seen this complaint before, but I can't understand it.

In fact, I just set my desktop to 1280x960 without a problem... Also, I've used the mode in Counterstrike, so I know it works in games as well.

1280x960 is 4:3, 1280x1024 is not, this is important for user who watch DVDs or someone who cares about aspect ratio.

If I have to get it through PowerStrip than ATI presets, I think ATI is not doing what ATI should have done, Nvidia has that for years.

That resolution seems to exist in Win9x/Me, but not Win2k and WinXP, I haven't used Win9x/Me too long.

hehe me and Open GL guy just said we both can use 1280x960 without any problems (no use of any tweakers no nothing, it's just there like all the other resolutions)
I think you misunderstood the posts somehow
 
Ante P said:
hehe me and Open GL guy just said we both can use 1280x960 without any problems (no use of any tweakers no nothing, it's just there like all the other resolutions)
I think you misunderstood the posts somehow

So, it may be another persistant old settings problem.

Let's see if it will go away later on when I reformat and reinstall my system.
 
okay, here we go... :) Here's something I would like to know, though I am leaving ATI boat very soon...

1. What's wrong with Radeon 7x00 point sprite acceleration? (both, 7200 and 7500 have poor Point Sprite / particle performance. On quick test with MadOnion 3DMark2001 PointSprite bench, my AIW Radeon 32MB AGP (on 1GHz Athlon Thunderbird) had half of the performance of nVidia TNT2 Ultra on same platform. And TNT2 does it on software.)

(2 and 3 removed after I found that they are still supported by ATI, but propably no one is just using them.)


4. what's the main difference between DirectX 8.0 Pixel Shader 1.0 specification and Radeon 7200 / 7500 "programmable pixel pipeline" described on Radeon white papers? So, simply: what prevented ATI implementing PS 1.0 compliancy to Radeon 7200 / 7500?

I have been waiting an answer for these over year. And still I doubt that they will answer them...
 
Nappe1 and maskrider
Hehe look at my post above: I allready sent the questions.

On the other hand I'm very intrigued by nappe1s q no 4 so I might send it too :)
 
maskrider said:
And BTW, DVD is not working fine after I moved from 8500 to 9700 under 1280x960 100Hz refresh rate, I am forced to use 85Hz under 9700 to get quailty ATI hardware deinterlacing. 100Hz give me ugly jagged edges.
I have noticed the same. Actually it is not only with DVDs, it's with any media type. One guy I know who also has the R9700 PRO informed me that there are some very rude "hacks" to fix this. #1 - If you use dual displays the "jagged edges at high Hz" problem is gone. At least that's what I was told. For some reason when you connect 2 monitors and use them both, the overlay resolution doesn't cut in half. Odd.. #2 - First use your display properties to set your monitor Hz so that the overlay res still looks good (in your case 85Hz). Then go to PowerStrip and use "custom rate" and put in your desired Hz (of course max what your monitor can handle, in your case 100Hz). The Hz will be set to the one you have set in PowerStrip but the overlay resolution isn't cut in half. :D I was told that this doesn't work anymore with the Catalyst drivers. It used to work with some older ones..

I'm still confused why this even happens? I mean if I set 1600x1200 and let's say 70Hz, the overlay resolution is cut into half. When I go down to, 60Hz it looks fine.

OpenGL guy? Can you share some light on this..

Sorry for going totally out of subject, but this is the first time I have seen someone else noticing/writing about the same problem.
 
worm[MadOnion.com said:
]OpenGL guy? Can you share some light on this..
Sorry, I don't have any information on the multimedia stuff as I am strictly a D3D grunt :) I wasn't aware of this problem; I'll run it past our QA folks.
 
OpenGL guy said:
Sorry, I don't have any information on the multimedia stuff as I am strictly a D3D grunt :) I wasn't aware of this problem; I'll run it past our QA folks.
Heh.. That'd be great "grunt"! ;) If you can snap any info about this, please let me, or us all know.
 
worm[MadOnion.com said:
]
OpenGL guy said:
Sorry, I don't have any information on the multimedia stuff as I am strictly a D3D grunt :) I wasn't aware of this problem; I'll run it past our QA folks.
Heh.. That'd be great "grunt"! ;) If you can snap any info about this, please let me, or us all know.

Visualizing the D3D grunt strafejumping down the corridor at ATI - "Houah! Houah! Houah!"

Ent
 
Entropy said:
worm[MadOnion.com said:
]
OpenGL guy said:
Sorry, I don't have any information on the multimedia stuff as I am strictly a D3D grunt :) I wasn't aware of this problem; I'll run it past our QA folks.
Heh.. That'd be great "grunt"! ;) If you can snap any info about this, please let me, or us all know.

Visualizing the D3D grunt strafejumping down the corridor at ATI - "Houah! Houah! Houah!"

Ent

ROFL!
 
<rant>

I'm not sure this is really a question ATi can answer, but its been bugging me:

Q. What is ATi doing to encourage board vendors to differentiate their products?

Beyond Tyan sticking on a different heatsink, hardware monitoring, and claiming compatibility with all 8x AGP boards, I see very little in the way of differentiation between products being put out by board vendors (besides price)...

For example: Where are the Dual DVI boards (eg. the 'Gainward' type card)? Where is the card with exceptional claraity (eh. the 'Leadtek' of the ATi world)? And so forth..

Maybe its just a question of time -- the manufacturers haven't had the time or experience with the ATi 9x00 series necessary to make highly customised designs?

</rant>

LW.
 
lwells said:
<rant>

I'm not sure this is really a question ATi can answer, but its been bugging me:

Q. What is ATi doing to encourage board vendors to differentiate their products?

Beyond Tyan sticking on a different heatsink, hardware monitoring, and claiming compatibility with all 8x AGP boards, I see very little in the way of differentiation between products being put out by board vendors (besides price)...

For example: Where are the Dual DVI boards (eg. the 'Gainward' type card)? Where is the card with exceptional claraity (eh. the 'Leadtek' of the ATi world)? And so forth..

Maybe its just a question of time -- the manufacturers haven't had the time or experience with the ATi 9x00 series necessary to make highly customised designs?

</rant>

LW.

They're coming. The first boards released by all 3rd parties were reference boards as that was the only way they could do it at the time (for a few reasons). You will start to see a lot more board differentiation from 3rd parties in the coming months. Things like boards with video in as well as video out, more exotic cooling solutions, collections of tools/software bundled etc.
 
Ichneumon said:
They're coming. The first boards released by all 3rd parties were reference boards as that was the only way they could do it at the time (for a few reasons). You will start to see a lot more board differentiation from 3rd parties in the coming months. Things like boards with video in as well as video out, more exotic cooling solutions, collections of tools/software bundled etc.

I figured as much. Really I was just wondering if ATi is trying to encourage its vendors down this path, as having six companies selling reference designs means the only point of differentiation is price, while ATi can benefit by having its vendors make niche/interesting cards.

LW.
 
I'm still confused why this even happens? I mean if I set 1600x1200 and let's say 70Hz, the overlay resolution is cut into half. When I go down to, 60Hz it looks fine.

It's related to overlay bandwidth. In this particular case, it sounds like it's due to a BIOS bug with the ECP clock. On older chips, like R128 you would have half the bandwidth above eg. 1280 and it would switch to this 'jagged' mode, where it would fetch every 2nd YUV pixel. On modern chips like R200 and certainly R300 there is more than enough bandwidth to handle it. Sounds like a misconfiguration bug in the x86 BIOS.
 
worm[MadOnion.com said:
]
maskrider said:
And BTW, DVD is not working fine after I moved from 8500 to 9700 under 1280x960 100Hz refresh rate, I am forced to use 85Hz under 9700 to get quailty ATI hardware deinterlacing. 100Hz give me ugly jagged edges.
I have noticed the same. Actually it is not only with DVDs, it's with any media type. One guy I know who also has the R9700 PRO informed me that there are some very rude "hacks" to fix this. #1 - If you use dual displays the "jagged edges at high Hz" problem is gone. At least that's what I was told. For some reason when you connect 2 monitors and use them both, the overlay resolution doesn't cut in half. Odd.. #2 - First use your display properties to set your monitor Hz so that the overlay res still looks good (in your case 85Hz). Then go to PowerStrip and use "custom rate" and put in your desired Hz (of course max what your monitor can handle, in your case 100Hz). The Hz will be set to the one you have set in PowerStrip but the overlay resolution isn't cut in half. :D I was told that this doesn't work anymore with the Catalyst drivers. It used to work with some older ones..

I'm still confused why this even happens? I mean if I set 1600x1200 and let's say 70Hz, the overlay resolution is cut into half. When I go down to, 60Hz it looks fine.

OpenGL guy? Can you share some light on this..

Sorry for going totally out of subject, but this is the first time I have seen someone else noticing/writing about the same problem.

I haven't written it as I think that may be a driver problem, but it just stays even after a couple of driver releases and that bothers me.

I will try what you've suggested, thank you.
 
Arshad said:
It's related to overlay bandwidth. In this particular case, it sounds like it's due to a BIOS bug with the ECP clock. On older chips, like R128 you would have half the bandwidth above eg. 1280 and it would switch to this 'jagged' mode, where it would fetch every 2nd YUV pixel. On modern chips like R200 and certainly R300 there is more than enough bandwidth to handle it. Sounds like a misconfiguration bug in the x86 BIOS.
Actually the same problem is found on the Rage128 and R8500 too. :-? It seems to be like you said.

I hope OpenGL guy (aka "the grunt") can find out if there is some more "official" fix to this! ;)
 
Sorry, I don't have any information on the multimedia stuff as I am strictly a D3D grunt I wasn't aware of this problem; I'll run it past our QA folks.

While you are running this by them, you might also want to let 'em know the latest DX9 RC0 drivers (MMC) for XP seem to disable Macrovision.

ATI's DVD player notices this, and does the right thing (i.e. says "Macrovision cant initialize. Aborting Playback"), but other DVD packages arent quite as smart. (*cough* mediaplayer, etc.etc.). Ya might want to run this by the folks in the lab to let 'em know a patch would be in order before we start seeing copies of Star Wars:Episode II DVDs for $4 :)
 
Ichneumon said:
They're coming. The first boards released by all 3rd parties were reference boards as that was the only way they could do it at the time (for a few reasons). You will start to see a lot more board differentiation from 3rd parties in the coming months. Things like boards with video in as well as video out, more exotic cooling solutions, collections of tools/software bundled etc.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6244
:-?
 
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