So is the cell spe's "downgrade" confirmed ?

[supervegeta]

I don't and didn't factor that in. I guess a case could be made for a 1080p camera image (EyeToy use) and 1080p video footage and 1080p game output. 1080p video conferencing...maybe that'll take off in Korea. Dont' think my 2 megabit connection will be up to that though

The less expansive sony 1080p video camera cost about 100.000$ , i am sure all the casual gamer have one.

 

[Hardknock]

The casual gamer could not care less about pvr, multiple video stream, video chat, video blogging, ecc, the most part of the ps2 owners don't even care about online play.

currently you are correct. But if Sony makes these features standard I would expect a lot more people to stand up and take notice.

Also we have no idea what this 96MB is being used for. It could be that MS is just better at coding an OS (it is their specialty afterall).

 

[Shifty Geezer]

You are always talking about things that the casual gamer could not care less , and want to make it look like it is a big deal.

PVR is a big deal to everyone. VCRs have their problems. Lots of people would like PVR, not many have it. A single system that provides gaming, movie playback and PVR would be fantastic. It'd save me from having to buy a seperate box for each of those functions, meaning it's cheaper and neater. That system would need to do some functions simultaneously though. If I can PVR with FFXIII and Heavenly Sword and 'Builda-better-burger' and 'Capcom's Greatest ever hits ever which has games you've already bought 3 times on other collections but are buying again because, to be blunt, you're really, really stupid', I'll be thoroughly peeved if the moment I play 'Obscure Game 2' it disables my PVR and I don't manage to record those repeats of 'I dream of Genie' because I failed to notice a tiddly little square icon on the back of the box amongst other similar little square icons.

 

[Titanio]

The less expansive sony 1080p video camera cost about 100.000$ , i am sure all the casual gamer have one.

Are you joking? My mobile phone's camera has more resolution than that.

Also we have no idea what this 96MB is being used for. It could be that MS is just better at coding an OS (it is their specialty afterall).

Well, we can get an idea based on what's been said, let alone what's been rumoured. And it does suggest a much greater resource requirement than 360's, rather than a bloated version of the same thing.

 

[Hardknock]

Are you joking? My mobile phone's camera has more resolution than that.

You have a cell phone that can do 1080p video recording?

 

[supervegeta]

Are you joking? My mobile phone's camera has more resolution than that.

wow your phone camera can shot 1080p videos ?

 

[scooby_dooby]

The casual gamer could not care less about pvr, multiple video stream, video chat, video blogging, ecc, the most part of the ps2 owners don't even care about online play.

Its not really the point. The points is IF they implement these features, consumers will EXPECT them to work.

Comparing it to the soundtrack on XBOX is completely invalid. The soundtrack did not perform a non-game related service for the consumer, it was simply added functionality for gameplay.

As for consumers not caring about PVR's, go look at the sales of Tivo, or one of the other dozen PVR providers. There is no denying it would be value added to the PS3 in the eys of a signifigant number of consumers.

Personally I take this as good news. It tells me Sony might actually be serious about these advanced features like PVR support & location free streaming etc, which is awesome. In the end, 64mb difference in available RAM isn't gonna mean anything to GFX anyways, certainly nothing the average consumer will be able to notice, so may as well spend it on extra functionality that they will notice.

 

[Titanio]

You have a cell phone that can do 1080p video recording?

Wel, no, but the stills can be The point is, such cameras don't cost $10k. Sony will be selling them as the new eyetoy, so you can be sure they'll be quite cheap.

 

[supervegeta]

PVR is a big deal to everyone.

Honestry, it's not a big deal for the casual gamer at all, the casul gamer buy the ps3 to play games not to record movie or to enjoy a multiple naked video chat party while playing a game.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

As for the rest, that's a slight exaggeration But for the features they're trying to support or rumoured to be supporting, there's certainly a significant amount of demand that could be placed on the OS at any one time.

The question is, what exactly are the features they want, to run concurrently with gameplay, and have they struck the right balance with what people on the whole want? Some announced features for PS3 can be kept separate from gameplay I think, like PSP, you choose from a menu which you want to do.

Also we have no idea what this 96MB is being used for. It could be that MS is just better at coding an OS (it is their specialty afterall).

Ooo, that makes me laugh. The days we look to MS to write a resource efficient OS...who'd ever have thought it! (okay, their portable OS isn't bad, but desktop Windows has never really been the epitome of memory memory usage )

 

[scooby_dooby]

Honestry, it's not a big deal for the casual gamer at all, the casul gamer buy the ps3 to play games not to record movie or to enjoy a multiple naked video chat party while playing a game.

It's called value for your money.

 

[supervegeta]

Wel, no, but the stills can be The point is, such cameras don't cost $10k. Sony will be selling them as the new eyetoy, so you can be sure they'll be quite cheap.

That such camera don't cost 10.000$ have nothing to do with the price of an hd ccd sensor and lens of a 1080p digital camcorder, taking a pictures is not the same as recording a video, and we are not even talking about 10.000$ the only 1080p camera that sony make cost about 100.000$ i think you are dreaming too much.

 

[Hardknock]

Personally I take this as good news. It tells me Sony might actually be serious about these advanced features like PVR support & location free streaming etc, which is awesome. In the end, 64mb difference in available RAM isn't gonna mean anything to GFX anyways, certainly nothing the average consumer will be able to notice, so may as well spend it on extra functionality that they will notice.

I wouldn't quite go that far. 64 MBs is quite a lot for a console, didn't the Xbox 1 have 64MBs? But regardless, if the features are worthwhile enough I think the trade off would be well worth it.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Honestry, it's not a big deal for the casual gamer at all, the casul gamer buy the ps3 to play games not to record movie or to enjoy a multiple naked video chat party while playing a game.

Casual gamers are also casual CE buyers. Or do you think most casual gamers don't own VCRs and don't like to record programmes? Or do you think most casual gamers don't share accommodation with others who would want to record programmes while said casual gamer is using the TV to game?

 

[Titanio]

Honestry, it's not a big deal for the casual gamer at all, the casul gamer buy the ps3 to play games not to record movie or to enjoy a multiple naked video chat party while playing a game.

Eh...

*flashbacks to "people don't care about dvd movies in PS2" arguments*

Casuals are more likely to embrace convergence and multi-functionality versus the hardcore gamer who's bitter about "teh lost games potential!!1 "

The question is, what exactly are the features they want, to run concurrently with gameplay, and have they struck the right balance with what people on the whole want? Some announced features for PS3 can be kept separate from gameplay I think, like PSP, you choose from a menu which you want to do.

How do you mean, exactly? I might "phone home" with my PSP from abroad while my brother's playing a PS3 game, to grab some media or send some to it..should I have to sit out never-ending "please try again later" messages?

I wouldn't quite go that far. 64 MBs is quite a lot for a console, didn't the Xbox 1 have 64MBs?

And 8MB would be a lot compared to my gameboy But seriously, as a percentage of available memory, it's not highly significant - you're talking 10-15% here, off the top of my head. There are much more significant differences elsewhere, some perhaps smaller ones also relating to your memory management anyway.

 

[Hardknock]

How do you mean, exactly? I might "phone home" with my PSP from abroad while my brother's playing a PS3 game, to grab some media or send some to it..should I have to sit out never-ending "please try again later" messages?

But let's be practical here. How many people would have the means or even desire to do this?

Would it be worth sacrificing (no matter how minimal) the entire PS3 userbase to appease this small minority?

 

[scooby_dooby]

I wouldn't quite go that far. 64 MBs is quite a lot for a console, didn't the Xbox 1 have 64MBs? But regardless, if the features are worthwhile enough I think the trade off would be well worth it.

Well you have a console with 480mb available, and one with 416. So one has about ~15% more ram than the other. 15%. I just don't see that meaning much...

 

[Bobbler]

Are you joking? My mobile phone's camera has more resolution than that.

I wouldn't count on a 1080p video camera for Eyetoy2. A 1280x720 IP camera already seems generous for something thats probably going to be <$100 in price (with a game).

 

[supervegeta]

Casual gamers are also casual CE buyers. Or do you think most casual gamers don't own VCRs and don't like to record programmes? Or do you think most casual gamers don't share accommodation with others who would want to record programmes while said casual gamer is using the TV to game?

Casual gamers or the mass market are not what you wish they are so you can stop to guess what the ps3 casual games will want.

We have to look at the facts and all the ps2 casual gamers could not care less about pvr , multiple video stream and even about online play, they only cared about the games.

Have we to remember again the Psx failure in japan ?

 

[Titanio]

But let's be practical here. How many people would have the means or even desire to do this?

The means/desire to have a PSP and PS3? Many. They also want to encourage these as companion devices, I'm sure. I mean, my PSP as a link to my PS3 in various guises remotely or locally would be a brilliant value-add for me (particularly if stuff like PVR was also true, but that remains rumour, and we probably should be wary of discussing it TOO much until we know otherwise).

I wouldn't count on a 1080p video camera for Eyetoy2. A 1280x720 IP camera already seems generous for something thats probably going to be <$100 in price (with a game).

I may be wrong, but I thought they'd announced it as 1080p? Maybe it was just "HD", I can't precisely recall.