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supervegeta said:
What are you smokin? PVR is a very desireable feature for MANY people, end of discussion.
So is the cell spe's "downgrade" confirmed ?
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What are you smokin? PVR is a very desireable feature for MANY people, end of discussion.
Titanio said:
Oh of course! The PS3/PSP connectivity is going to be great. No doubt about it. When I say "means" I mean wi-fi availability. When I say "desire" I mean even if that someone with a PSP and a PS3 has access to wi-fi would he really be worried about downloading something back home from his PS3 while out on a trip?
If the answer is yes to both questions, how small of a group of people is this? Is it worth minimizing the potential gaming experience for every PS3 owner over this minority?
Until Wi-fi is a lot more widespread I don't think many people will be using such features.
You misunderstand (or I miscommunicate!). I wasn't saying 'leave out features like linking with PSP' but 'like on the PSP you select from which activity you want to do, do that on PS3.' On PSP you choose to either watch a movie or play a game or view pictures or play music. On PS3 the range of options would be different, so where you'd obviously want PVR to be multitaskable with game playing if PVR is a feature, and maybe hold a videoconference with one person, the ability to four-way video conference might be something you'd reserve for 'Video Conference' from the X-bar interface, along with 'TV/Movie mode' to play BluRay movies. Sony don't need to allow every feature to be available always. People will be happy enough being able to select from a number of options, just like they do on PSP, and the multitasking while gaming options should be kept pretty minimal I think.Titanio said:
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scooby_dooby said:
So that's why the PSX home media system was a huge success in japan huh ?
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Was the PSX the exact same price as PS2? Oh shit...you just ignored the single biggest factor, VALUE, the fact that PVR on PS3 would be free, it's nothing but value added. Many consumers won't care, MANY WILL, obviously.supervegeta said:
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Titanio said:
Probalby what they meant is that it can take hd stills not that it can record hd video.
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scooby_dooby said:
I don't think it is a question of price because even after a big price cut the thing failed sell well.
"PSX failure is a blow to Sony's convergence dreams
As retail outlets in Japan make cuts to the price of the recently re-launched PSX home media system, the failure of the system will provide fuel for critics of Sony's media convergence plans, says Rob Fahey."
http://us.codejunkies.com/news_reviews.asp?c=&cr=&cs=&r=1&l=&page=3&p=1&i=8178&s=8
How's about you try answering my question? do you thin the people that buy PS3 are not going to want to record TV programmes, and would not like to replace their VCRs with digital PVR functionality?supervegeta said:
And where's your survey that shows this?
Flawed statistical analysis. The PSX was overpriced, underfeatured, and who would want to buy a PVR+PS2 combo if you've already got a PS2? Instead you would need to look at the number of PS2 owners who have PVR to see how many were interested enough to buy. And then you'd need a separate survey asking PS2 owners at what price if any they'd be willing to replace their VCRs with PVRs. As reference, I'm a PS2 owner who doesn't own a PVR, is interested in getting PVR, but doesn't think the cost is justified at the moment. The fact I don't yet own a PVR nor PSX is not due to lack of interest in the technology.
People want to record TV programmes. That's proven by the success of VCRs. People want better than VCR quality, proven by the adoption of DVD. Given this, do you really think people won't be interested in PVR? And that amongst gamers looking for a console who don't already own PVRs, PVR on PS3 would not be a desirable feature? And thus a feature that'd need to be multitaskable with gaming? And thus a feature that'd warrant reserving of system resources for non-gaming functionality?
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Mmmkay said:
It's not just about remote access, but also local. You don't need anything but your PSP and PS3 to take advantage of that, and it certainly could be useful e.g. if you want to watch something and the TV is occupied, or to use your PSP as a glorified remote etc. etc.
Wifi isn't hard to come by in most major cities now, though. If you were visiting one you might very well want to "phone home" to either send or receive media (a TV show you're missing, perhaps - again IF there was PVR functionality - to send photos back to free up mem stick space, whatever).
Shifty Geezer said:
Right, but some will, and you'll need them to be available in tandem with the game and the worst case of the "one-by-one" tasks. That's what you need to set up resources around.
I don't think multi-way video chat should be reserved for "one-by-one" functionality TBH.
Also, just one obvious comment. We keep talking about the 'casual consumer' and price... but that consumer is not going to be considering the PS3 until it reaches the $199-$249 threshold (unless the perceived value proposition demonstrates that they can save by purchasing a PS3 instead of consumer electronics product X). By the time that the PS3 drops to that price range, many of its 'periphery' features will be commonplace as those consumer electronics products it emulates will have fallen in price to meet the 'casual consumer' threshold.
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Shifty Geezer said:
The problem is you can't really answare this question , the only thing you can do is guess.
And seeing by the most part of the ps2 owners they owned the ps2 because of the games not because of the additional functions like online for example , othervise you have to show me some proof that this is not the case.
You always talk about dream theory like 1080p multiple video chat but let's stop to dream and be pratical.
How is Sony going to offer Pvr functionality exactly ?
If they offer analog recording the only way is to offer an analog video in , and i don't see this on the back of the ps3.
If they want to offer a digital recording the only way is to have a firewire input and have a sat receiver with a firewire out, and actually only one sat receiver on the market have one, and this will became illegal for major issues also.
So you have to explain me how sony can record a video stream here.
The ps2 succeed thanks to the games, this is so obvious i don't think you have need a survey to proof it.
Then why even after a relaunch with big price cut the PSX failed again ?
Again, unless you can read all the people minds you have no idea what the people want.
If you have proof that the ps2 casual gamer don't care for the most part only about the games when he buy the ps2 show it.
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Could someone explain to me how the PS3 would recieve digital cable channels for it's PVR functionality? I am just confused on when it got a tuner, and how one would connect the system to be able to record one program while letting you watch another.
Would Sony have to pay the cable co's to have the PS3 added as a device that can do the things that the cable co's already have boxes for? IE does TIVO work without having to pay for any more services?
Would Sony have to pay the cable co's to have the PS3 added as a device that can do the things that the cable co's already have boxes for? IE does TIVO work without having to pay for any more services?
supervegeta said:
The same i valid for you too. At least some poeple here have more knowledge than you in the subject.
Flawed comparison.
It would be cool if true, as I don't have a PVR but have a HDTV (go figure). I was just confused on, assuming the rumor is true, how the system would provide such features when it seems some key components were not included in the system specs (well as far as we know).Titanio said:
supervegeta said:
Personally, i think you're onto something here. Can someone explain why the PS3 is going to replace my superior DVR thats built into my cable box? Its got:
2 tuners
Records in HD
Does PIP
Time shifting
Is integrated right into my TV interface so i can hit record at any time during a program to add it ot the record list and even set up a season pass. I assume that satellite owners have similar functionality.
Aside from the fact that there is no cablecard slot and IIRC no firewire on the PS3, so it cant record HD, i dont see why i would use the PS3 for this function.
Now cable companies are testing DVR functionality where users get storage at the home office, with no HDs local. You pick your programs and they get recorded at the cable company. The beauty of this is that you can play them back on any set in your house with a cable box (look out Win MCE!).
I know its nice to throw aound terms like 'PVR Functionality' but i just dont see how its practical here.
The only space in which this makes sense is when people want to get stuff off their PS3 to their PSP (similar to the deal MS has now with DirecTV), but theres better ways to do it rather than using the ps3 as your DVR.
