SDTV owners and next-gen systems - beware?
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The game looks pretty good.
The problem is the shots are so tiny. Normal videogame 480 shots (ake every game til now) are not that small.
Shadow of the Colossus shots were never postage stamp size, for example.
Yes I realize that is the real res, but normally 480P console shots are blown up.
Just to make you appreciate the X360 a little more LOL:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/490/490849/img_3002530.html
The problem is the shots are so tiny. Normal videogame 480 shots (ake every game til now) are not that small.
Shadow of the Colossus shots were never postage stamp size, for example.
Yes I realize that is the real res, but normally 480P console shots are blown up.
Just to make you appreciate the X360 a little more LOL:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/490/490849/img_3002530.html
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dopefishzzz
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IGN-review
"Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"
"Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"
dopefishzzz said:
I would have said (but I'm not like IGN staff paid to promote consoles and make games sell) : "If you don't have HD set-up, forget the XBox360 for now."
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Sounds pretty hard now that I reread it, must be what happen when you expect much from something and it fails to deliver it.
Stratowagon
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This isn't very difficult to figure out. The only difference between modes is the number of pixels, and perhaps the fluidity of motion between an interlaced or progressive format.
The colors, rendering effects, number of polygons, etc. are all going to be the same no matter what resolution you are using.
http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kside3yl.jpg
The colors, rendering effects, number of polygons, etc. are all going to be the same no matter what resolution you are using.
http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kside3yl.jpg
That example is for a different game. We've two different responses to SDTV from XB360. One appears to be smooth downscaling (wayhay!) and the other appears to be rendering to a lower framebuffer without adding an extra AA or other quality (booo!). Which does PGR3 use?
DeathKnight
Regular
The Kameo comparison was done properly, ie. with a CRT-based display. Any comparisons done with a fixed-pixel display will be inherently flawed. SDTV resolutions will have to be scaled twice; once through the 360's scaler down to 480p/i, then the TV will have to scale it back up again to its native resolution (which will reintroduce aliasing as well as exacerbate the loss of finer detail due to the original scaling). CRT's don't suffer from the same problems that fixed-pixel displays do in this regard.
Quite a few HD-CRTs scale everything to 1080i, and the one and the pic might well be one of those. It's really too hard to tell seeing as the pic is barly 600 lines anyway. On the other hand the pics from GameSpot are nice and close up, and reguardless of the fact that they used a fixed pixel display it is still blatantly obvious that the 480i/p shots are rendered at a lower res and not just downscaled and scaled back up again.
DeathKnight said:
Maybe, but it was still done poorly because they used a composite connection instead of component.
I mean, if this is the difference between Composite and S-Video:
Composite
S-Video
Just imagine how much better their screenshots would have looked using Component, which is noticably better than S-Video.
Composite was the absolute worst input choice.
DeathKnight
Regular
People with HDTV's (regardless if its CRT-based or not) aren't going to be having the 360 output at standard definition anyway. However, comparisons should be done with CRT-based displays, optimally direct-view and non-scaling (ie. will display at the resolution that its given). The majority of the people who will be having the 360 output at 480p/i have CRT displays, so it's fairly pointless to make comparisons with anything but.kyleb said:
How is it blatantly obvious? Scaling an image twice (down then back up) will produce results similar to what you see in the Gamespot comparisons. The 360's not rendering in standard-def.
Powderkeg, yes, they should have used component. However, it's still a much better comparison than using an LCD display.
First of all games like PGR3 and Kameo look great on a SDTV and much better than this gen.
Secondly we are entering a phase where console games will be higher-resolution and people should begin to accept that.One game's graphics will be judged according to how it looks on its native resolution(720p or higher) not downscaled on 640x480.That would be like judging how advanced a pc game looks by playing it at 640x480.
Secondly we are entering a phase where console games will be higher-resolution and people should begin to accept that.One game's graphics will be judged according to how it looks on its native resolution(720p or higher) not downscaled on 640x480.That would be like judging how advanced a pc game looks by playing it at 640x480.
Until, say, a basketball game is virtually indistinguishable from a broadcast game in SDTV, we still have a lot more headroom for improvment in SDTV. So obviously, the next generation hasn't reached the limits of 480 p or i.
I think what people mean when they say the Xbox 360 looks like Xbox 1 in SD is that going from Xbox graphics to Xbox 360 is not enough to see a significant difference. In other words, going from a 20,000 polygon model to, say 3x that (60,000 polygons) doesn't make enough of a distinguishable visual difference in SD. Obviously, the 360 can push far more polygons, has better shading, lighting, anti-aliasing, etc. but the jump is not great enough in SD. Maybe you need a 5x or 10x difference to see something noticable.
Until I see the difference myself in a live setting, I won't comment if the above is true, but I think this is possibly the real complaint by people here--the jump is there, just not big enough in SDTV.
I think what people mean when they say the Xbox 360 looks like Xbox 1 in SD is that going from Xbox graphics to Xbox 360 is not enough to see a significant difference. In other words, going from a 20,000 polygon model to, say 3x that (60,000 polygons) doesn't make enough of a distinguishable visual difference in SD. Obviously, the 360 can push far more polygons, has better shading, lighting, anti-aliasing, etc. but the jump is not great enough in SD. Maybe you need a 5x or 10x difference to see something noticable.
Until I see the difference myself in a live setting, I won't comment if the above is true, but I think this is possibly the real complaint by people here--the jump is there, just not big enough in SDTV.
I didn't want to start a whole thread for this, but somebody on the gamefaqs.com board said he bought the x360 VGA cable, and it comes with a gender converter as well as a rca-1/8 inch audio converter. Does anyone know if this is true? That would save me a lot of hassle. I haven't been able to find out anything more about it though.
Indeed, I don't care one jot what XB360 or PS3 looks like on HD sets if I'm going to be running on SDTV. If XB360 looks the dog's whiskers on HDTV, but crummy on SDTV, and PS3 vice versa, it's PS3 that'll sell itself to me. Of course there's no reason for XB360 to lok better on HD over SD apart from fidelity. The same graphical horsepower should be being applied to both, just with SD getting a little 'fuzzy' like real TV. The idea 'the game won't look as good in SDTV' is pretty nonsensical. Take a 720p PGR screen capture (one of the good ones!), downsize it and crop it to fit a TV, and it looks sterling. Look at the jeux-france pics and they don't look anywhere near as good. I'm thinking the jeuz-france pics are just plain wrong. either way, PGR3 should look as good on SDTV as 720p downscaled to fit. It'd be nice if some site would actually post decent comparison grabs.
