I think he means growth. We are 4 years into the console gen almost and there are what 70m-80m amd consoles out there?
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itsmydamnation
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It just the console life cycle , everyone who wants one at this price point has one but its not like PS2 era where you had like 4 massive shrinks in its life time to reduce costs and could sell it for like 99usd at the end.
If I remember last q numbers looked really bad for console and there's no reason for that to changed.
GhostofWar
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Ok cheers guys, if this was what was being implied maybe stagnated would have been a better word and not made someone lesser informed (like me) jump to a pretty different conclusion.
Bondrewd
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Means this console cycle is going the way of the dodo faster than the previous one.
PS5 and Xbox sales both slumped very very hard.
They know.
Henceforth they shall spam hundreds of WGPs in tiled halo things, all in the name of Victory.
Nothing.
It's not and never was supposed to be, tiled halo monstrocities just got chopped off.
Less growth and more units tapering off into nonexistence a lot faster than anticipated.
But then again, neither console has any games to speak of, so expected.
It's not you.
itsmydamnation
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No it wouldn't be a better word, this is sales, stagnation would be flat unit shipments. Where as console chip shipments appear to be shrinking rapidly.
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-8000-rdna-4-gpus-utilize-18-gbps-gddr6-memory-entire-lineup/
perhaps it´s going to be good vfm product, just as kind of "second version of Polaris" if AMD doesn't screw it up
perhaps it´s going to be good vfm product, just as kind of "second version of Polaris" if AMD doesn't screw it up
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I'd hope they have large infinity caches to make up for it. don't see much to be excited for with rdna 4 if this stuff is true.
DegustatoR
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Same memory suggest the same performance - or bigger caches.
If it's the former then we're looking at 7600-7900GRE performance bracket.
As for the latter it's a bit doubtful that caches would inrease in single chip GPUs made on the same N5/N4 process.
If it's the former then we're looking at 7600-7900GRE performance bracket.
As for the latter it's a bit doubtful that caches would inrease in single chip GPUs made on the same N5/N4 process.
Bondrewd
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Better ones!
It's good for Gaming segment bottom line (and thus, me).
Large, no. Better ones oh yes.
DegustatoR
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Up to ~5060Ti probably. Should be RDNA5 above that.
Bondrewd
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Yeah.
The new MALL counters are public, CnC even made an article mentioning 'em.
But there's more than just MALL.
Mainstream one yeah.
halo parts went the way of the dodo, so waiting for navi50 it is.
RDNA5 replaces the entire lineup.
Will RDNA 4 surpass 7800XT perf?
Typically, such minor changes result in an average performance improvement of around 0% when tested across various benchmarks. Updated counters are likely here to address corner cases in a few titles, where they might improve the average framerate by a percent or two.
The better caches are those with lower latencies, higher bandwidth, and capacity. Of course, improved prefetching can also help reduce latencies in sensitive workloads where there is not enough work to cover the latencies by other means, but, again, it wouldn’t have a noticeable effect in practice since the current implementations are already quite effective at this. In some corner cases, there might be an additional improvement of a few percent per frame, which would effectively translate to 0% in your typical benchmark suite. And how on earth are the improvements to the counters supposed to affect the memory bandwidth requirements? Either larger caches or better delta compression are needed for meaningful improvements in this department.
Bondrewd
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Obviously, N32 is scuffed too.
mucho texto, brother.
(you can also improve your reading comprehension. just so happens that AMD has three more cache levels! but what do I know?).
I was thinking that too but looking into this, the fastest mass production GDDR6 is Samsung's 20gbps, SK Hynix and Micron are 18gbps. Samsung are sampling 24gbps and SK Hynix are (I assume) sampling 20gbps so it's not as bad as I first thought. Guess GDDR7 is around the corner so effort's put into that instead but would've been nice if 20gbps+ was more plausible for RDNA4
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Plus side is more even arch/gen comparisons
Bondrewd
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20G one exists but it's pricey and these are cheapo mainstream sticks.
DegustatoR
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Whatever GDDR is in production out of the portfolio the suppliers have depends on demand more than anything else. Lack of products using such GDDR results in it not being in production.
In other words if some IHV would prefer to use GDDR6 20Gbps on their new product - because that would bring sizeable performance improvements - it would start to be in production.
The fact that it's not means that the performance of such new product isn't likely to be limited by whatever GDDR is in production right now.
