R590 - Will we see this beast?

[ZoinKs!]

Indeed it has, eg. we now have RV530 and RV560, where a couple of years ago we had only RV350.

...and RV360.

Joking aside, the pace of new card introductions seems to have quickened.

It's time for upper mainstream (say, US$249 msrp) to begin moving to 256 bit memory.

 

[no-X]

RV560 will be 35% faster than a 6800GS and 10% faster than a X1600XT

 

[Arty]

Holy weird batman ..

RV570XT will be 10 / 12% faster than a X1800XT / 7800GTX
RV570XL will be 20% faster than a X1800XL / 7800GT

Never heard about RV570.

RV560 will be 35% faster than a 6800GS and 10% faster than a X1600XT

That makes no sense: 6800GS > X1600XT.

They will be released in August/September and all will be 80nm with onchip CF support and Gemini GPU support.

Aug/Sep seems wrong too, I think we're all expecting RV560 to hit the market in March/April.

 

[CJ]

I asked for the difference between RV560 and RV570, but he didn't know yet.

And he seems to be sure that hard times are coming for ATi since nVidia is just waiting with their new architecture. 7900 series will be out in volume soon and so will the 7600 series next month. It will take another 5-6 months for ATi to get RV560/RV570 out on the market and if they are indeed released in about 5-6 months, they will have to face an entire G8x lineup.

I guess that's the reason why R590 is being positioned against the 7600 series, since RV560/RV570 are still way off.

He also says that the chipset business is looking a bit better, especially because of the Intel deal, but the mainstream high-end is still going slow. At the moment there's some sort of press event where RD580 is being launched. 4 mainboard vendors will launch an RD580 mainboard (Asus being the most serious one), but the S939 mobos will only have a 3 month lifespan since M2 will be coming out by that time.

ATi supposedly is also changing their policy about overclocking. The AIB will now be able to set their own clocks. But as of March they won't be allowed to use weird names like TOP/Extreme/Maxx/Deluxe etc, probably to prevent more confusion.

 

[Moloch]

This was just posted by the same source as always.

X1900XTX 11045 3dm (baseline performance) / X1900XT 10858 3dm
X1900XL ~9000 3dm (positioned against 7800GTX)
X1800GTO ~6600 3dm (positioned against G73 = 7600GS / GT)

RV570XT will be 10 / 12% faster than a X1800XT / 7800GTX
RV570XL will be 20% faster than a X1800XL / 7800GT
RV560 will be 35% faster than a 6800GS and 10% faster than a X1600XT
They will be released in August/September and all will be 80nm with onchip CF support and Gemini GPU support.

Ok, discuss.

Erm a 6800GS is faster than a 1600XT.. something doesn't add up.

 

[BrynS]

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Codename Fever!
...They will be released in August/September and all will be 80nm with onchip CF support and Gemini GPU support.

Ok, discuss.

Ooh, a new buzzword! Thanks for the info, CJ.

Is RV570 the new RV560? On those peformance metrics won't RV560 simply be a slightly faster RV530 die shrink, i.e. the previously mentioned RV535/RV540? RV570 will surely have to be more powerfully configured than the assumed 8-1-3-2 for RV560 to offer superior performance than X1800XL/XT in non shader-bound scenario's or perhaps speedy 128-bit GDDR-4 helps to unleash some of the powa of Hugh Jass MC? Pity about the expected release timeframes -- I was hoping for a May/June 2006 release on the native $250-350 R5xx part at the latest.

 

[no-X]

I think that 6800GS and X1600XT are only exchanged. (35% faster than X1600XT and 10% faster than 6800GS would be logical). In this case RV560 could be 8-1-3-x (128bit) and RV570 12-1-3-1 with 256bit mem. bus (shrink of R580 with one missing quad, something like NV40->NV42)

 

[Fodder]

My poorly-thought-out stab in the dark: RV570 is the 80nm to RV560's 90nm. Though, it'd have to be clocked stupidly high to fulfill those performance predictions. Maybe 12-1-3-1/256 is more likely, though that would go against Dave's V=128 theory.

 

[neliz]

Ooh, a new buzzword! Thanks for the info, CJ.

new buzzword? isn't gemini the "competitor" to MXM? and thus, a year old buzzword?

 

[CJ]

new buzzword? isn't gemini the "competitor" to MXM? and thus, a year old buzzword?

Isn't that Axiom? Which actually isn't a competitor to MXM but a "design kit that provides support for multiple module interfaces (including MXM)"

 

[BrynS]

new buzzword? isn't gemini the "competitor" to MXM? and thus, a year old buzzword?

EDIT: CJ beat me to it.
Ah, well I hadn't seen Gemini referenced before, so took it as a revelation. I thought AXIOM was ATI's reference design for a mobile PCI-Express interface module and thus competitor to MXM, unless it (Gemini) is perhaps a platform refinement allowing for multi-gpu support in notebooks, like nVIDIA's upcoming announcement?

 

[Dave Baumann]

Gemini = twins.
Twins "with on chip CF" = dual chip board.

 

[Arty]

Any thoughts on RV570?

 

[Dave Baumann]

I guess that's the reason why R590 is being positioned against the 7600 series, since RV560/RV570 are still way off.

No, the X1800's coming out are just knock off R520's. According to A. N. Other AIB, ATI have stopped production of R520 but they have some serious volume left - they are doing some special prices on them, with the GTO config and also cut down XT prices.

 

[trumphsiao]

No, the X1800's coming out are just knock off R520's. According to A. N. Other AIB, ATI have stopped production of R520 but they have some serious volume left - they are doing some special prices on them, with the GTO config and also cut down XT prices.

GTO = 12 pipe R520???? Is that correct ???

 

[trinibwoy]

No, the X1800's coming out are just knock off R520's. According to A. N. Other AIB, ATI have stopped production of R520 but they have some serious volume left - they are doing some special prices on them, with the GTO config and also cut down XT prices.

What's up with the ongoing miscalculation of required inventory at ATi? Do they just put in orders with no regard for market conditions or projected sales?

 

[Geo]

What's up with the ongoing miscalculation of required inventory at ATi? Do they just put in orders with no regard for market conditions or projected sales?

GTO wouldn't be about inventory miscalculation, would it? XT would be, but then maybe they just got tired of being beat up over being short the last 18 months.

 

[trumphsiao]

GTO wouldn't be about inventory miscalculation, would it? XT would be, but then maybe they just got tired of being beat up over being short the last 18 months.

Is that what you mean the 1 Quad Disabled R520( Due to The Yield issues )? Sounds that huge number of cores in the stockpile.

 

[trinibwoy]

GTO wouldn't be about inventory miscalculation, would it? XT would be, but then maybe they just got tired of being beat up over being short the last 18 months.

Certainly seems to be a miscalculation, given Dave's wording. The only other option is that they planned to have a surplus of XT chips to sell under the GTO moniker. Either way, a surplus is better than a shortage in the current environment I guess.

 

[Fodder]

Gemini = twins.
Twins "with on chip CF" = dual chip board.

Question is, is this 'on chip CF' any more 'on chip' than that used in RV515/530 (and presumably existing in R580/590)?