PS4 Pro Speculation (PS4K NEO Kaio-Ken-Kutaragi-Kaz Neo-san)

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It would be kinda nice if Sony started a trade-in program. Not just as an easy way to sell our PS4 - the 100 bucks or whatever they might give out for it is immaterial to me - but really as a much better way to dispose of it.

In the past my platforms ended up in the bin cause ain't nobody got time for eBay. So it would be nice for Sony to swap it over, even for very little money.

Just a thought.
 
mpg1 said:
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pjbliverpool said:
From the sounds of it there are 40 and 36 CU versions of Polaris 10 so they'll either need very high clock speeds (like Pascal, i.e. 1400Mhz territory) or massive efficiency improvements (or a combination of both) to be able to displace the 390 and 390x.

So with these it's possible PS4K will be equivalent to a 490 (perhaps a heavily underclocked version) if neither of the above hold true though then it's more likely to be a 480 (non X) equivalent. My moneys on the latter.
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Well the leaked specs around that polaris 10 card is 36 CU @800MHz. Not sure if that will be final clock speed of that card but it sounds like if anything PS4 neo gpu will probably be equivalent to a 480 or slightly higher.
 
I'd be shocked if the desktop Polaris 10 (assumed 480 equivalent) only ran at 800Mhz. Without a massive efficiency increase per CU that would only make it marginally faster than the 28CU 380 at 970Mhz. Odds are 800Mhz was either just an engineering sample or a mobile part.
 
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But seems like the PS4 neo will have higher clock speed than whatever that card is...

So assuming Vega is going to be used for the Fury series then PS4 neo gpu will be equivalent to R9 480X if not 490??
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Unlikely, i think if the original PS4 GPU - Desktop Pitcairn clocks are anything to go by, Desktop Polaris should have significantly higher clock speed.

It should be equivalent of the R9 480($250-), yeah.
 
London-boy said:
It would be kinda nice if Sony started a trade-in program. Not just as an easy way to sell our PS4 - the 100 bucks or whatever they might give out for it is immaterial to me - but really as a much better way to dispose of it.

In the past my platforms ended up in the bin cause ain't nobody got time for eBay. So it would be nice for Sony to swap it over, even for very little money.

Just a thought.
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Game stores like gamestop are doing this almost every time there's new hardware coming out.

When the PS4 launched they were giving $150 if you traded in your PS3 or 360. They would certainly do this here too because the resell value is greater than an old generation with no new games coming out.
 
pjbliverpool said:
I'd be shocked if the desktop Polaris 10 (assumed 480 equivalent) only ran at 800Mhz. Without a massive efficiency increase per CU that would only make it marginally faster than the 28CU 380 at 970Mhz. Odds are 800Mhz was either just an engineering sample or a mobile part.
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Right, so PS4 neo gpu is pretty much the 480 then it seems...
 
PS4 gpu was basically what a 7850? That was released over a year and half before PS4. Assuming 480 launches in June it will only be out 6-9 months before PS4 neo...
 
Dr Evil said:
I expect Neo in October, November the latest.
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I think Q1 2017 is also possible. Either way you'll likely have a console with a relativly new mid range GPU. Sony launching a new version right as 14nm gpu's launch is a smart move IMO.
 
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PS4 gpu was basically what a 7850? That was released over a year and half before PS4. Assuming 480 launches in June it will only be out 6-9 months before PS4 neo...
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It's not quite the right comparison. The PS4 GPU is GC1.1 so it's closest cousin on the PC from an architecture point of view is the 7790 which launched just under 8 months before the PS4. But the PS4 was of course a significantly beefed up version of that architecture. In performance tersm the PS4 was equivalent to the 6th card down AMD's performance stack. If PS4K does fall in line with the R9 480 then it will probably be in the same position again but that's dependant on what happens with Vega, i.e whether they launch 2 GPU's based on it, or 4. I assume they'd have to launch 4 as it would otherwise leave too large a performance gap in the market.

This is all assuming PS4K uses Polaris of course.
 
Dr Evil said:
I expect Neo in October, November the latest.
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Yup. Sony has the opportunity to get all the holiday season sales within that span (Oct-Dec). PS4 at $299 and PS4-Neo at $399-$499.

It doesn't really make any sense for consoles to launch during the slower months of a new year... and it would probably be to late in the game (updated hardware) to launch it during the later months of 2017.
 
There's no way this new console (or any of the other two) is missing the Christmas shopping season.

If it does, Sony will keep quiet about it until next year.
 
Which maens it'll launch holiday season this year. If software submissions are to happen in August, that'll be to sell said software in the Christmas period. Sony aren't going to keep devs and pubs waiting a year on the software they've finished before giving them a platform to sell it on!
 
I really can't wait to see the public unveil of PS4K, how will Sony choose to present it now that we know all the technical details about it. How will they describe it, how will the system look, how will it be sold, and most importantly how the games will look. We are all now stabbing in the dark, trying to think about what will be impact of this boosted/enhanced hardware.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Which maens it'll launch holiday season this year. If software submissions are to happen in August, that'll be to sell said software in the Christmas period. Sony aren't going to keep devs and pubs waiting a year on the software they've finished before giving them a platform to sell it on!
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The question becomes, how do they handle E3? Do they do a pre-event to announce it or drop it in their press conference? No way do they try to get thru E3 in silence, that'd be a total fail. Personally, I think they drop it in the presser like they would a slim model but I can see the value in doing its own pre-event, they have a lot of message massaging to do and a special event may be the best way to handle that.

Edit: I meant to quote DieH@rd too.

DieH@rd said:
I really can't wait to see the public unveil of PS4K, how will Sony choose to present it now that we know all the technical details about it. How will they describe it, how will the system look, how will it be sold, and most importantly how the games will look. We are all now stabbing in the dark, trying to think about what will be impact of this boosted/enhanced hardware.
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upnorthsox said:
The question becomes, how do they handle E3? Do they do a pre-event to announce it or drop it in their press conference? No way do they try to get thru E3 in silence, that'd be a total fail. Personally, I think they drop it in the presser like they would a slim model but I can see the value in doing its own pre-event, they have a lot of message massaging to do and a special event may be the best way to handle that.

Edit: I meant to quote DieH@rd too.
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I don't know iirc how Sony revealed the original PlayStation but PS2 was leaked, then properly announced and later shown in Sony presentations separate from major trade shows like E3.

Even the PS4 went through this process kinda...I would wager that Sony wouldn't use E3 as anything but a way to showcase upcoming games (which PSVR has already been presented) so the best logical step is to wait until after E3 and all the discussion on games then have a special presentation broadcast via PSVR...

Or something similar to the official PSVR presentation.

Personally announcing the hardware may take too much attention from all game coverage for all consoles and PC platforms.
 
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