there has to be draw calls though right? using compute to cull makes sense to me, but the GPU has to know what to cull first no?
PS4 Pro Speculation (PS4K NEO Kaio-Ken-Kutaragi-Kaz Neo-san)
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Planets are procedurally built on the fly in a game that is virtually almost completely single-player, how would you know they're "New" versus them being "Neo New"?
I guess this is wandering into more appropriate territory for the NMS thread, but I would say NMS as it stands is a game that gives us much less to work with in terms of finding or describing the differences.
Maybe, if someone bought a Neo and PS4, then loaded the save to both consoles and ran them side-by-side we could eliminate so much of the "randomness" the game injects into every facet of its world.
Given that game saves are required to work between the console versions, it probably means that there's always a planet at a given coordinate, which may differ in some ways.
To be thorough it might be a worthwhile test to have two PS4s and two Neos just to figure out how much varies between two builds of the same coordinate set.
Silent_Buddha
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People can post coordinates of planets they've discovered and other players can then go to those coordinates and see the same planet. That's a key feature of the game that the developer wants and was one of their stated intentions for their game.
If the Neo version of the game had planets that the PS4 version of the game doesn't, then that system breaks down. IE - a Neo player posts the coordinates of this amazingly cool planet they found, then a PS4 player goes to those coordinates and nothing is there. That would break one of the core tenets of the game.
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Well soon we' ll discover if there are more trees in the pc version
By that same notion then the PC version should have infinitely more planets than a Sony PS4 version since the PC CPU is that much better. I think it's safe to say this will not happen.
Save file compatibility is the more direct requirement, since the current planets the players are on would disappear out from under them the instant they loaded up on the other console.
The limiting factor is the 64 bit seed. To have more than 18 quintillion possible planets, NMS would have to cap the seed and have a higher seed threshold be for new planet types. So perhaps only us values from 0-9 quintillion and then have the highest bit reserved for 'special expansion planets'. If that wasn't planned in from the beginning, it can't be added retroactively.
Devs changed the universe seed at launch and told that the planets would change underneath players.
Not sure what this has to do with Neo though.
I would except view range be longer perhaps higher resolution and such.
As object are generated runtime higher poly LoD is possible as well.
We still don't know the limiting factor for NMS's draw rate - CPU or GPU. Longer draw distance and smoother framerate, and even wider FOV, are certainly acceptable in a Neo version as these don't affect gameplay, but may be impossible.
cant somebody on PC easily test that? by lowering clock speed and disabling cores?
who have it on PC?
Did we discuss before about 7th core of CPU?
PS4 unlocks 7th core last November. Therefore PS4 games before 2016 (maybe including games in 1st half of 2016, like Uncharted 4) only uses 6 Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz.
Current Neo development kit has CPU at 2.1 GHz, when 7 cores are available it is 53% faster than most PS4 games.
If Sony tapes out at TSMC's 16nm FF, the CPU may further boost to 2.5 Ghz, which is 82% of improvement.
PS4 unlocks 7th core last November. Therefore PS4 games before 2016 (maybe including games in 1st half of 2016, like Uncharted 4) only uses 6 Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz.
Current Neo development kit has CPU at 2.1 GHz, when 7 cores are available it is 53% faster than most PS4 games.
If Sony tapes out at TSMC's 16nm FF, the CPU may further boost to 2.5 Ghz, which is 82% of improvement.
Lots of games are already using 7 cores. Uncharted 4 certainly is among them. Naugty Dogs task scheduler is very good. It will automatically extend tasks to higher amount of CPU cores. They'd likely only had to change a single define and recompile when the SDK started to support the 7th core. Same is true on many high end console engines.
No, we reasonably know Uncharted 4 uses 7 cores. It has being implicitly confirmed by a dev.
I don't agree. They are trying to make PSVR more successful, they have more to render which means GPU.
Megadrive1988
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I agree. I'd like to see that CPU running 2.4 GHz instead of 2.1 GHz.
This may or may not be correct, but I read somewhere that 2.4 GHz Jaguar is the limit. Not sure if that counts for Puma or Puma+
I'm sure devs would be happier with a 50% CPU clock frequency boost rather than a 30% boost.
Just a side note:
The PS1 CPU in the arcade board that ran Tekken 3 (System 12) was 50% faster (48 MHz) than the one in the System 11 board and the PlayStation console (33 MHz).
I guess that made a bigger difference than one might expect, because the PS1 CPU not only had the MIPS R3000 core, but also the Geometry Transfer Engine (GTE). That applies to the System 11 board, and also so the System 12 board having the same CPU, but 50% faster allowed more detailed fighter models and polygonal backgrounds possible.
Getting back to PS4K / Neo, I'd say a higher CPU clock would be better than even more more GPU FLOPs.
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I think DF only use Hitman as its the same resolution and gfx settings across Xbox One and Ps4 with an unlocked frame rate, that allows direct comparisons between the two and cpu limits are shown when the PS4 is pulled into check with the Xbox given their CPU is closer in power than the GPU.
The Xbox One S allows you to look more on the Xbox releases as we have the same console with a GPU bump so you can compare results between vanilla and S to look for improvements or lack or improvements to indicate CPU bottlenecks.
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