I don't agree. But then again all I'm seeing is a box to play games on.
PS3 UK price...
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I don't agree. But then again all I'm seeing is a box to play games on.
for me, not as a gaming system at the moment
you could spend 279.99GBP on 360 and you get better online + rumble as extra
279.99 comes without the online. You have to pay for that. Discount that cash flow over the life of the console and you will arrive at the true NPV figure for the 360 price.
XBL is only 10p a day
. hey, i could talk about how much it costs to power systems. ps3 cost more electricity than 360 doesn't it??? Some people say us Brits are paying more for PS3 then any other country, I maybe stupid here but how?
PS2 here in the UK launched at £295 and PS3 is launching at £425
Now PS2 in America was ~$300 and PS3 is $600
PS3 in America is upto DOUBLE the cost of what PS2 at the same period in its life were as in the UK PS3 its nowere near double the price of PS2
Maybe the alchol i consumed last night is still playing havok with my brain cells but i dont know
PS2 here in the UK launched at £295 and PS3 is launching at £425
Now PS2 in America was ~$300 and PS3 is $600
PS3 in America is upto DOUBLE the cost of what PS2 at the same period in its life were as in the UK PS3 its nowere near double the price of PS2
Maybe the alchol i consumed last night is still playing havok with my brain cells but i dont know
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Some people say us Brits are paying more for PS3 then any other country, I maybe stupid here but how?
PS2 here in the UK launched at £295 and PS3 is launching at £425
Now PS2 in America was ~$300 and PS3 is $600
PS3 in America is upto DOUBLE the cost of what PS2 at the same period in its life were as in the UK PS3 its nowere near double the price of PS2
Maybe the alchol i consumed last night is still playing havok with my brain cells but i dont know
And how many dollars was £425 again...
edit: that had to be the most stupid "PS3 is not that expensive in here" post I have ever seen... By a mile!
rendezvous
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I've just talked to the cute girl at the store, and she said that they are expecting the price to be 6800 SEK. She also told me that she have heard that the distrubutor of playstation consoles and games in the nordic region, Nordisk Film, are having difficulties agreeing with Sony about the price.
<speculation mode>
To me this, in the combination with the price I've been told, sound like Nordisk film is trying to earn (quite a lot of) money of the sales on the PS3 systems, something I don't think Sony is so keen on.
</speculation mode>
You don't want to go there...
Totally that's why I'm treading lightly here. Just *trying* to take a totally objective look at the real price.
True! But this is rather silly. You specifically mentioned online (multiplayer I'm assuming) and that component in not contained within the RRP. You have to add it to arrive at the true cost of the console if online is important to you. The debate then moves onto whether both online modes are comparable (but this can't preclude people from factoring Live into the 360 price) and will rapidly devolve into a cesspool of hysteria. This is what happened with the Sony BestBuy chart which to my memory was quite conservative given the direction they could have take viz. Live Gold. However it was a bit of a picky topic so I'm not going there.
I'll just end by saying that for most people online multiplayer is not important (or enough to pay for), so the 360 is undoubtedly cheaper.
And how many dollars was £425 again...
edit: that had to be the most stupid "PS3 is not that expensive in here" post I have ever seen... By a mile!
The brittish pound is worth more when going on holiday as the curentcy comes into effect, BUT just talking about money $ is looked upon as being £.
So going by what your saying is that if say a DVD from the UK costs £12 it should cost $~20?
You have 2 people and there both electritions, one lives in the UK and the other in America. The UK electrition earns £1000 a week wages, does that meen the American electrition will get nearly $2000?
Now those 2 electritions go and a buy PS3 with there wages, the American electrition has $400 left over while the UK electrition has £575
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His point was that for the monthly income, UK citizens are better off than US citizens. His arithmetic wasn't off, as the reasoning is that the US electrician gets paid dollar for pound what the UK electrician does. Thus at £1000 pm income, the UK electrician has £550 left after PS3 (which isn't right, as there's sundry extras to that price like games. I know this when budgetting for a possible PSP purchase, and the minimum price for the device is well short of the total price I'd have to pay to have one that I can use as I want.
) while the US electrician only has $400 left.Unfortunately for Almighty, that logic is based on a wrong assumption about wages, and also doesn't factor in other things like cost of living. eg. Even if a US electrician were to get paid $1000 to the UK electrician's £1000, they'd be spending $250pm on somewhere to live whereas the UK electrician would be spending £500pm. Thus the UK electrician has £1000 - £500 living expenses = £500 available income, and the US electrician has $1000 - $250 = $750. After PS3, the UK chap has £50, and the US chap has $150. Then add in things like the crazy cost of transport in the UK, higher taxes (also tax should be added to the US PS3 price, making it nearer $660), and a zillion other things, and UK households have on average less disposable income than US households, dollar for dollar. Thus, where a UK household might have $500 to spare per month (£250), PS3 costs $850 (£450), whereas in the US, PS3 costs $660 (£350 at 12.5% VAT) and the household might have $750 to spare, as it were.
I think you may be putting words in his mouth, whatever though, if a spark gets £1000 a week I'm getting out of IT and going back to college.
edit: apologies almighty I was a bit snotty in my reply, I had too much alcohol last night as well.
His point was that for the monthly income, UK citizens are better off than US citizens. His arithmetic wasn't off, as the reasoning is that the US electrician gets paid dollar for pound what the UK electrician does. Thus at £1000 pm income, the UK electrician has £550 left after PS3 (which isn't right, as there's sundry extras to that price like games. I know this when budgetting for a possible PSP purchase, and the minimum price for the device is well short of the total price I'd have to pay to have one that I can use as I want.
Unfortunately for Almighty, that logic is based on a wrong assumption about wages, and also doesn't factor in other things like cost of living. eg. Even if a US electrician were to get paid $1000 to the UK electrician's £1000, they'd be spending $250pm on somewhere to live whereas the UK electrician would be spending £500pm. Thus the UK electrician has £1000 - £500 living expenses = £500 available income, and the US electrician has $1000 - $250 = $750. After PS3, the UK chap has £50, and the US chap has $150. Then add in things like the crazy cost of transport in the UK, higher taxes (also tax should be added to the US PS3 price, making it nearer $660), and a zillion other things, and UK households have on average less disposable income than US households, dollar for dollar. Thus, where a UK household might have $500 to spare per month (£250), PS3 costs $850 (£450), whereas in the US, PS3 costs $660 (£350 at 12.5% VAT) and the household might have $750 to spare, as it were.
UK citizens pay higher tax but get better service for it ie free health service (even though queue list is so long that a patient with cancer could die even before receiving treatment)
and argument goes on and on... this argument could can go forever & and beyond 3d...
XBL is only 10p a day
And we could discuss how many days you actually will be able to play on your 360 if you have to exchange it 5 times. Not to mention value over time if Microsoft kills it as fast as they did the XBOX. No matter how much we go back and forth the actual value is decided by those that put the money down and those that don´t because they think it´s to expensive, and there is a million reasons going both ways.
As i said before, it´s incredible cheap.... for me.
And they're closing hospitals, so despite paying for a 'free' health service, if you want to get treated you have to go private.
Except this argument, how much national services you Tax money gets you, is irrelevant to the relevant price of PS3. In terms of disposable income, US citizens have more. Prices are lower. They get paid higher on average. And the PS3 is cheaper.
In no way are UK buyers better off than US buyers.
There are a fair few countries that have a very high income per family average. But those averages consist of a few very rich people offsetting a huge number of very poor people.
In General, the worst difference between rich and poor in a European country still matches the U.S., where poverty rates are still very high.
Other issues stem directly or indirectly from insurance. In the U.S., as far as I know (you may correct me if I'm wrong), insurance can be very expensive. Ironically, the cheapest insurance is often available to people who work at large companies, because insurance companies give such large customers discounts, so that the net-effect is that people who have a good income often have cheaper insurance than those who don't even have a job. Minimum wages are also very common in the E.U. - note though that traditionally, the U.K. has resembled the U.S. in certain areas more than the E.U., setting a minimum wage only fairly recently.
This then is also partly why such a high percentage of people in the U.S. still has no insurance whatsoever, something which is fairly rare in Europe.
In the end, I suspect there may be a large amount of rich people in the U.S. who can afford to buy an HDtv and next-gen console very early on, and then buy a new game for it each month. But there may still be more potential buyers in Europe, because a larger amount of people have a good salary.
I think it has been predicted before that Europe will be the largest market for a number of consumer items very soon, partly also because the EU is expanding and this is benefitting the countries that join the EU (on average) as well as the other members of the EU (larger and cheaper internal market, more productivity, more international corporations settling in Europe's cheaper countries). You can probably see a developing trend in that if you look at console sales over the years, though I haven't done that recently. In this respect, also note that several individual European countries are in the top 10 of largest economies. I think even the Netherlands is in there at 8, with only 16.5 million inhabitants.
By the way, if you ever felt like working in the Netherlands, apparently our unemployment figures just dropped to the lowest since the 70s, so there should be a fair few job-opportunities here now. (a shortage of programmers is typically the first indication that this also is happening in IT - I'm changing jobs 1st of Feb, and they still haven't found an affordable replacement yet)
The NHS is a huge mess. Mind you, it is also one of the cheapest health care systems in Europe, despite its horrible inefficiencies, so you get what you pay for. Hopefully they can sort it out.
In General, the worst difference between rich and poor in a European country still matches the U.S., where poverty rates are still very high.
Other issues stem directly or indirectly from insurance. In the U.S., as far as I know (you may correct me if I'm wrong), insurance can be very expensive. Ironically, the cheapest insurance is often available to people who work at large companies, because insurance companies give such large customers discounts, so that the net-effect is that people who have a good income often have cheaper insurance than those who don't even have a job. Minimum wages are also very common in the E.U. - note though that traditionally, the U.K. has resembled the U.S. in certain areas more than the E.U., setting a minimum wage only fairly recently.
This then is also partly why such a high percentage of people in the U.S. still has no insurance whatsoever, something which is fairly rare in Europe.
In the end, I suspect there may be a large amount of rich people in the U.S. who can afford to buy an HDtv and next-gen console very early on, and then buy a new game for it each month. But there may still be more potential buyers in Europe, because a larger amount of people have a good salary.
I think it has been predicted before that Europe will be the largest market for a number of consumer items very soon, partly also because the EU is expanding and this is benefitting the countries that join the EU (on average) as well as the other members of the EU (larger and cheaper internal market, more productivity, more international corporations settling in Europe's cheaper countries). You can probably see a developing trend in that if you look at console sales over the years, though I haven't done that recently. In this respect, also note that several individual European countries are in the top 10 of largest economies. I think even the Netherlands is in there at 8, with only 16.5 million inhabitants.
By the way, if you ever felt like working in the Netherlands, apparently our unemployment figures just dropped to the lowest since the 70s, so there should be a fair few job-opportunities here now.
(a shortage of programmers is typically the first indication that this also is happening in IT - I'm changing jobs 1st of Feb, and they still haven't found an affordable replacement yet)The NHS is a huge mess. Mind you, it is also one of the cheapest health care systems in Europe, despite its horrible inefficiencies, so you get what you pay for.
Hopefully they can sort it out.I don't know man. 6800sek just sounds soo extremely much. No doubt Sweden together with the rest of the nordic countries are some of the most expensive places in Europe, but I mean this price is more than 50% over the PS2 price, sure the hardware is worth it, and you get so much more this time around compared to PS2, but evenn 6000sek is very much, I though they would not try and go over the psycological limit of 5000sek and now they are nearing 7000sek instead, it just sounds too much...
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You could, but they are both extremely stupid examples.
MS won't kill 360 like they did the first one since it's built to cost reduce unlike the 1st one. This is just common sense , 360 will have a long 8+ year cycle, just like PS3 will. They wouldn't just throw potential revenue away, the XBOX offered no potential revenue.
As for failure, the vast majority of those were in the first 6months, as evidenced by MS's extension of warrantee for all consoles manufactured in 2005. It's a non-factor.
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