PS3 sales

[Rangers]

Not a bad weekly total for 360. It could crush Xbox's lifetime Japan sales if it keeps this up a couple years or so. Hell I remember it used to be neck and neck with GC weekly sales, and people would joke about the big war between them. Now you see that's a distant memory.

PSP is really coming on strong, provided there wasn't a mass DSL shortage.

I wonder if low PS3 sales are due to supply, or if that's the kind of weekly number it's looking at as things settle down?

Okay I have now been to Gaf and they are stunned by the terrible PS3 sales. I guess they are right, 25k a week gets you 100k in a month in one of the three big territories. When you're talking about selling and shipping X million, that's nothing.

Things are bad for the PS3..

And I always love this little chart Anihawk puts up each week:

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | 2007 | LTD

1.) Nintendo Wii - 93,708 | 195,331 | 289,039 | 1,208,682
2.) Nintendo DS Lite - 89,287 | 344,878 | 434,165 | 7,857,489
3.) PlayStation Portable - 48,804 | 118,186 | 166,990 | 4,699,119
4.) PlayStation 3 - 25,531 | 69,944 | 95,475 | 553,033
5.) PlayStation 2 - 22,663 | 52,037 | 74,700 | 20,229,559
6.) Xbox 360 - 9,035 | 18,235| 27,270 | 291,972
7.) Game Boy micro - 1,959 | 3,311 | 5,270 | 565,200
8.) Game Boy Advance SP - 1,547 | 2,364 | 3,911 | 5,918,951
9.) GameCube - 611 | 1,258 | 1,869 | 4,171,337
10.) Game Boy Advance - 79 | 57 | 136 | 8,823,245
11.) Nintendo DS - 41 | 75 | 116 | 6,582,471


Over at Gaf they tend to downplay the PSP. They are comparing it to Jan 06 sales where it was stil beating DS and calling it a failure. I have to disagree, many weeks in Japan PSP has done around 1/5 of DS the last few months. We are now seeing ratios around 1/3 and in this case approaching 1/2 of ds sales. I dont care what GAF says it's a marked improvement.

 

[TheChefO]

Okay I have now been to Gaf and they are stunned by the terrible PS3 sales. I guess they are right, 25k a week gets you 100k in a month in one of the three big territories. When you're talking about selling and shipping X million, that's nothing.

Things are bad for the PS3..

Over at Gaf they tend to downplay the PSP. They are comparing it to Jan 06 sales where it was stil beating DS and calling it a failure. I have to disagree, many weeks in Japan PSP has done around 1/5 of DS the last few months. We are now seeing ratios around 1/3 and in this case approaching 1/2 of ds sales. I dont care what GAF says it's a marked improvement.

Marked improvement indeed for psp - however until they start selling more than ds at any given time, they are not onlybehind but falling further behind by the week. Certainly not a failure but certainly not ever going to be the lead platform either. Similar to wii/ps3 sales there.

 

[22psi]

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | 2007 | LTD

1.) Nintendo Wii - 93,708 | 195,331 | 289,039 | 1,208,682
2.) Nintendo DS Lite - 89,287 | 344,878 | 434,165 | 7,857,489
3.) PlayStation Portable - 48,804 | 118,186 | 166,990 | 4,699,119
4.) PlayStation 3 - 25,531 | 69,944 | 95,475 | 553,033
5.) PlayStation 2 - 22,663 | 52,037 | 74,700 | 20,229,559
6.) Xbox 360 - 9,035 | 18,235| 27,270 | 291,972
7.) Game Boy micro - 1,959 | 3,311 | 5,270 | 565,200
8.) Game Boy Advance SP - 1,547 | 2,364 | 3,911 | 5,918,951
9.) GameCube - 611 | 1,258 | 1,869 | 4,171,337
10.) Game Boy Advance - 79 | 57 | 136 | 8,823,245
11.) Nintendo DS - 41 | 75 | 116 | 6,582,471

Nice Wii/DS numbers. PS3 sit right above .5m, does that mean they have around .4m just sitting in stores?

 

[Onlooker1]

Way to be dismissive of Nintendo. Gaming-lite? Portable hardware make up the majority of the sales in japan, so its not a cute alternative. Diversion? How can the Wii serves as a diversion to a console that was released first?

I'm not dismissive, they discover or create a new market segment. Hats off to them. I've bought my 3rd DS type product late last year (gameboy advance, Ds, ds lite). But I also can't not have a PSP. The problem is nintendo just doesn't cover the spectrum from end to end. This leaves the big-iron end of the market completely up for grabs. If DS lite was a 'solution' to portable gaming, from end to end, PSP sales would be dead. But they are not. You want 3d worlds on a portable, you're going to have to own a PSP as well as a DS Lite. You want 60fps high fidelity worlds on a console, you're going to have to own an "xbxps3", as well as a Wii.

It is quite possible that Wii expands the market. In fact, I think Nintendo boast about how they are selling to non-gamers. What does a non-gamer do after buying a Wii? they become a gamer.. then some will start to look around at a larger investment.

I don't see anything that Wii runs that cannot also be run by Xbox360 and PS3 (controller patents aside). But I do see plenty of stuff that PS3 and xbo360 will have that Wii cannot run. There is no getting around t hat, only someone who is yearning for Nintendo domination (why on earth?) and has lost all logic could think otherwise.

 

[TheChefO]

Nice Wii/DS numbers. PS3 sit right above .5m, does that mean they have around .4m just sitting in stores?

enroute - They sent them to the U.S. and turned the boats around back to Japan. They should arrive in 4-6 weeks.

 

[Rangers]

I'm not dismissive, they discover or create a new market segment. Hats off to them. I've bought my 3rd DS type product late last year (gameboy advance, Ds, ds lite). But I also can't not have a PSP. The problem is nintendo just doesn't cover the spectrum from end to end. This leaves the big-iron end of the market completely up for grabs. If DS lite was a 'solution' to portable gaming, from end to end, PSP sales would be dead. But they are not. You want 3d worlds on a portable, you're going to have to own a PSP as well as a DS Lite. You want 60fps high fidelity worlds on a console, you're going to have to own an "xbxps3", as well as a Wii.

It is quite possible that Wii expands the market. In fact, I think Nintendo boast about how they are selling to non-gamers. What does a non-gamer do after buying a Wii? they become a gamer.. then some will start to look around at a larger investment.

I don't see anything that Wii runs that cannot also be run by Xbox360 and PS3 (controller patents aside). But I do see plenty of stuff that PS3 and xbo360 will have that Wii cannot run. There is no getting around t hat, only someone who is yearning for Nintendo domination (why on earth?) and has lost all logic could think otherwise.

Yeah really. You look at the top ten, top 20 in Japan and almost every one of them is a DS or now Wii non-game that I have no interest in. 10 variations of Brain training, Animal crossing, Wii play, Wii sports..

It's one of those things that I hope it's contained to Japan, I hope they grow out of it, and if it takes over the industry then it's PC gaming or nothing for me I guess..

Though with PS3 and 360 maintaining the traditional experience, I dont think there's real danger of that.

 

[TheChefO]

I don't see anything that Wii runs that cannot also be run by Xbox360 and PS3 (controller patents aside). But I do see plenty of stuff that PS3 and xbo360 will have that Wii cannot run. There is no getting around t hat, only someone who is yearning for Nintendo domination (why on earth?) and has lost all logic could think otherwise.

Agreed - but to some Wii is "good enough" even though the graphics are not on par with ps3/xb360. The input method is vastly different from any previous or current console and is obviously the selling point at this time. For xb/ps the graphics are the main selling point. Some value certain aspects of gaming more than others.

 

[Nesh]

Nice Wii/DS numbers. PS3 sit right above .5m, does that mean they have around .4m just sitting in stores?

Sony "Shipped"= shipped from factories, so still in transit. There's a whole thread on it here

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[TheChefO]

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Shipped agreed - but Japanese ps3 is made in Japan (from what I recall). Hence my joke above.

enroute - They sent them to the U.S. and turned the boats around back to Japan. They should arrive in 4-6 weeks.

 

[quest55720]

I'm not dismissive, they discover or create a new market segment. Hats off to them. I've bought my 3rd DS type product late last year (gameboy advance, Ds, ds lite). But I also can't not have a PSP. The problem is nintendo just doesn't cover the spectrum from end to end. This leaves the big-iron end of the market completely up for grabs. If DS lite was a 'solution' to portable gaming, from end to end, PSP sales would be dead. But they are not. You want 3d worlds on a portable, you're going to have to own a PSP as well as a DS Lite. You want 60fps high fidelity worlds on a console, you're going to have to own an "xbxps3", as well as a Wii.

It is quite possible that Wii expands the market. In fact, I think Nintendo boast about how they are selling to non-gamers. What does a non-gamer do after buying a Wii? they become a gamer.. then some will start to look around at a larger investment.

I don't see anything that Wii runs that cannot also be run by Xbox360 and PS3 (controller patents aside). But I do see plenty of stuff that PS3 and xbo360 will have that Wii cannot run. There is no getting around t hat, only someone who is yearning for Nintendo domination (why on earth?) and has lost all logic could think otherwise.

I would say it is more any body but sony for me. Sony needs to pay for forcing blue ray down gamers throats to win a movie format war I could careless about. If sony would of launched last year with a DVD drive at 299/399 price point they would be slaughtering everyone. Lets not forget the Wii hype in north america did not really start till E3 2006 when sony dropped the price bomb on the world. The Wii became 1000x more attractive when people found out it costs 1/2 the price of a PS3.

If you are the average person who does not yet have a HD tv I can easily see where they think the Wiis graphics are just fine especially for the price. I think it is silly for anyone to spend 500 dollars on a PS3 or Xbox360 if they are not going to have a HD-tv in the near future.

I would say judging by software sales the DSL is the solution the hand held gaming.

I have no idea why a gamer would be upset by any of this. This kind of trend could force sony to drastically cut the price of the PS3 this year that is a good thing for gamers. I would also say sony getting a large humble pie is a good thing. If this keeps up you can bet they won't make the same stupid arogant mistakes with the PS4. The more sony stuggles the better for now it will just force them to try twice as hard to get the gamers back on thier side that is a good thing.

Traditional console gaming has been in trouble for a long time in japan. The PS2 should of been a monster the last two years software sales wise instead it is the DS that is selling games. I can not imagine another leading platform having such poor sales its last 2 years of life. A mature platform with a huge installed base should sell software much much better.

 

[Nesh]

Shipped agreed - but Japanese ps3 is made in Japan (from what I recall). Hence my joke above.

Who when where? I didnt even see your post in here

 

[TheChefO]

I have no idea why a gamer would be upset by any of this. This kind of trend could force sony to drastically cut the price of the PS3 this year that is a good thing for gamers. I would also say sony getting a large humble pie is a good thing. If this keeps up you can bet they won't make the same stupid arogant mistakes with the PS4. The more sony stuggles the better for now it will just force them to try twice as hard to get the gamers back on thier side that is a good thing.

100% agree ... A market correction was in need this gen.

Hopefully Sony has learned something from their early struggles and will correct these issues before planning ps4.

 

[Platon]

I have no idea why a gamer would be upset by any of this. This kind of trend could force sony to drastically cut the price of the PS3 this year that is a good thing for gamers.

That depends if they actually can do it. If it is indeed true that they are taking massive losses on the PS3, especially the cheap model, maybe they can't afford to lower the price, because in the end they would not recoup even with an attach rate of 8:1. On the other hand they might not care, as long as Bluray becomes succesfull, so we will see I guess...

Traditional console gaming has been in trouble for a long time in japan. The PS2 should of been a monster the last two years software sales wise instead it is the DS that is selling games. I can not imagine another leading platform having such poor sales its last 2 years of life. A mature platform with a huge installed base should sell software much much better.

That, is indeed true, what is going on in Japan and could this be a trend that will be globaly spreading soon, I sure hope not...

 

[Corwin_B]

Over at Gaf they tend to downplay the PSP. They are comparing it to Jan 06 sales where it was stil beating DS and calling it a failure. I have to disagree, many weeks in Japan PSP has done around 1/5 of DS the last few months. We are now seeing ratios around 1/3 and in this case approaching 1/2 of ds sales. I dont care what GAF says it's a marked improvement.

Problem with PSP has never been with HW sales, though. It's the horrible SW sales.

 

[Tagrineth]

more like PS3 not selling as fast as expected. Sony raved about 1million PS3s being shipped throughout Japan and yet only 500k have sold. Reportedly PS3s are extremely easy to hop out and buy in Japan and nobody's biting. PS3 sales dropped from 70k last week to 25k (according to mediacreate's numbers) in Japan.

 

[assen]

If what keeps up, exactly? People flinging poo on online forums?

High prices, slow demand, developers deserting in droves or underdelivering, PR fuckups, competing consoles selling way, way better.

 

[swanlee]

What happened to the Sony that said they could sell 5 million consoles with no games? Well they have 1 game worth getting and the PS3 has barely sold over 1.5 million.

I guess people are not as stupid and brand loyal as Sony thought they were.

 

[Nesh]

What happened to the Sony that said they could sell 5 million consoles with no games? Well they have 1 game worth getting and the PS3 has barely sold over 1.5 million.

I guess people are not as stupid and brand loyal as Sony thought they were.

When did they say that?

 

[Corwin_B]

When did they say that?

" We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games."~Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO David Reeves

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

 

[Rolf N]

I would say it is more any body but sony for me. Sony needs to pay for forcing blue ray down gamers throats to win a movie format war I could careless about. If sony would of launched last year with a DVD drive at 299/399 price point they would be slaughtering everyone. Lets not forget the Wii hype in north america did not really start till E3 2006 when sony dropped the price bomb on the world. The Wii became 1000x more attractive when people found out it costs 1/2 the price of a PS3.

So ... tired ...
Blu-ray isn't enough to explain the 200$ difference. A Blu-ray drive is an incremental cost over DVD of what, 30$ tops, going down every day. There is something else.
Sony is quitting the loss-leader business model (see support for standard consumer flash formats, standard SATA HDD upgrades, use of bog-standard USB and HDMI cables for the controller and video output, Bluetooth headsets). Nobody wants to compete with Microsoft on the ability to lose money anymore, so nobody's going to risk their fortunes on accessory sales. Nintendo has adapted to this as well, but from a different angle. They have the lowest cost hardware of all by a mile, so they can undercut whatever price the competition sets and still be profitable.
Sony sells basically at cost now, foregoing (unreliable) "extra" revenue streams from proprietary storage, chargers and cabling junk, giving them that certain attractiveness of a more open platform. Say hello to "Other OS", too -- you can build a compute cluster of PS3s and never buy a single game, Sony will not stop you. That's of course still a gamble, but with no per-unit money on the table, so it's safer for them, whatever the outcome. They could lose domination, but they cannot lose money.

That's why the PS3 has its price tag.

If you are the average person who does not yet have a HD tv I can easily see where they think the Wiis graphics are just fine especially for the price. I think it is silly for anyone to spend 500 dollars on a PS3 or Xbox360 if they are not going to have a HD-tv in the near future.

Yes it is. It's interesting when you connect this with your sentiments about the console prices. IMO anyone who can afford to buy a nice HDTV, which is an investment of at least 600$, better make it 1000$ with the sky being the limit, really has no place bickering about the price differences between the two HD consoles.