HP is selling hd-dvd drive upgrades for their laptops for I think only $100 over the base price.
PS3 sales
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HP is selling hd-dvd drive upgrades for their laptops for I think only $100 over the base price.
Again an xtra 200$ is the XBOX prem 399 or 299?i only have the amazon price.
And again, was the Cell and RSX ready 12 months before BluRay?
The only way to draw any conclusions is to compare the price of a standalone drive.
Food for thought:
If PS3 Japan sales continue this trend, then the Xbox may even increase its lead for a while. It has good sales in the US and Europe, whereas the PS3 seems to downright suffer in Japan at the moment.
Sony's EU launch may set things back to 'normal', but it'd be an absurd and unexpected case nonetheless.
If PS3 Japan sales continue this trend, then the Xbox may even increase its lead for a while. It has good sales in the US and Europe, whereas the PS3 seems to downright suffer in Japan at the moment.
Sony's EU launch may set things back to 'normal', but it'd be an absurd and unexpected case nonetheless.
Its kind of immaterial. The end result is that that there are two competing systems, both vying for the "HD" gaming space and both utilising similar processes for their core components but one was here 12 months before the other.
I have to say I didn't look all over their site, but configuring this one adds an extra $475 for HD DVD ROM.
It's not "immaterial" for first-party softwares, though...
What I tried to suggest was Cell and RSX which were not ready for mass production in 2005 as -tkf- seems to suggest were necessary components to distinguish PS3 from other consoles as much as Blu-ray. If Motorstorm or new EyeToy games could be realized on other platforms, I'd like to see how. Third-parties tend to ignore these differentiating points for the PS3 because they have to recover higher development cost with minimum investment while they can make games customized for the cheaper Wii development. So for PS3 this task is entirely on first-party devs, but it's been only 2 months since the launch and not much is shown yet.
I know even PS2 has physics middleware.Sprite based grass and physics middleware are waving at you one. Along with CMRIRT and Sega Rally Revo.
As for other rally games, do they have this?
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Could you be more specific?
If you are talking about the "deformed" terrain, then yes, Sega Rally Revo specifically mentioned this back at E3 2006. And it is a PC/PS3/360 game.
Just so I understand you, when you said, "If Motorstorm or new EyeToy games could be realized on other platforms, I'd like to see how" you were indicating the belief that Motorstorm could not be done on other platforms?
that's how I interpreted that statement as well.
I don't expect in Sega rally deformed terrain coexists with all the physics aspects of Motorstorm. Do you?
PS2 has physics middleware too, and what you see on PS2 and PS3 differ. Isn't it very simple? The same applies to Eyetoy.
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It's a matter of degree for physics effects. I don't know if other consoles are incapable or not. In fact I've not seen how Sega Rally on Xbox 360 is like so can't know if what Joshua Luna implies is correct or not as of now.
But that's the point because I wrote "differentiating point" in my previous post. Those differentiating factors in games don't have to be cutting edge forever. Since this is the PS3 sales thread, what's important for most consumers when they figure out which console to buy is what they can see in current games. It's true some users buy consoles just because of potential, but even they watch current games and imagine what may be possible for this platform in future by extrapolation. Now if you look at Xbox 360 which is out for a year, a game that uses physics effects as much as Motorstorm is not yet seen AFAIK. It may change sometime in future, but I don't know how long it takes. If I follow the original comment by Dave,
it's kind of immaterial that a game that comes 6 months later has same software techniques. The end result is decided by how these platforms have a unique game in a specific time frame.
This is where we disagree very strongly. I think Sony deserves credit for taking a chance, and again making a state of the art machine that could last for a long time. They also could have taken a much less exciting approach and just capitalise on the brand name. The price of Blu-Ray components will go down soon enough, and then we'll have a console which has Blu-Ray, a HDD standard, the Cell Processor, motion sensing and decent online. By the time the PS3 hits the same pricerange as the Wii, the PS3 will have the benefit of a few years extra worth of games and developer research, and should produce some great games for a great price.
I think you're wrong, actually. It was the extremely slick E3 presentation of Nintendo that did most of the work there. Even if Sony had had a great presentation as well (which they didn't - it would have been more suitable on a GDC, whereas Nintendo's presentation was very clearly consumer oriented), they wouldn't have been able to steal all of Nintendo's thunder anyway, because clearly Nintendo had their act together and a polished machine (no, I mean the wii-mote
) as well as software on display.Which would be fine
Yes, but you could also argue that it's games are much less value for money, because apparently you have to keep buying one game a month to not get bored with the system.
More seriously, while the DSL is a great product, particularly in combination with Nintendo's own software, you also have to give some of the credit to the fact that handheld gaming and Nintendo have been synonymous for at least 10 years. Consider that in the home console space, Nintendo went from 90%, to 60%, to 30%. Some people seem to think that the first playstation beat Nintendo in one generation, where it was quite clearly two.
The biggest mistake they made for the PS3 was not picking up on the importance of software soon enough, especially for online and for motion sensing support. Mercury and Loco Roco should have been out with sixaxis support from day one, and Virtua Tennis should have online support on day one - in other words, the online libraries should have been finished and ready with the buddy list support and all that in place. They have been too slow in these decisions. But they know it, and I think things are going to get better.
I also hope they are going to get better. Because I personally have been very happy with the fact that my last two consoles have consistently put out great games for each 5 years that they have lasted. And hardware wise, the PS3 certainly tickles my fancy best.
Sprite based grass and physics middleware are waving at you one. Along with CMR
...and insufficient performance is waving back at you.
I think it's clear that especialy when raw processing power in the physics department is required, there is nothing that comes close to the PS3 performance. Just head over to the CELL performance thread. The PPE (which is almost identcial to a Xenon core, except for cache) mostly doesn't come close to the performance of a single SPU with heavy FP lifting.
Everything can be done on any console. The question is just at what cost and performance. And ive yet to see any 360 game with as interactive environment as in MS.
