PS2 question

[Johnny Awesome]

The camera in BGA offers easy rendering. That lessens the load on the PS2 from a technical standpoint. SH2 has static backgrounds. Come on guys. Why can't PS2 fans admit that the PS2 has IQ and texture weaknesses?

There are still some nice looking games on the system on good NTSC tvs, but they are few. It's not a big deal, the hardware is 3 years old.

I'll have to check out Primal now that it has so much praise.

 

[marconelly!]

The camera in BGA offers easy rendering. That lessens the load on the PS2 from a technical standpoint. SH2 has static backgrounds.

As I've said, there are scenes in BGDA which do not offer 'easy rendering', but whatever, exclude that one from my list if you want. SH2, of course, has realtime backgrounds, and so does SH3, which from all I've seen has even better textures.

 

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

I wouldn't call myself a PS2 fan, just someone who chose to buy a PS2 in favour the other two. I think Johnny's being pretty fair with his last two posts. Overall I do feel the PS2 is weak in texturing and filtering capabilities. Even the amazing ICO, when zoomed in have walls that resemble Quake1. Massive geometry, spectacular lighting and stella art direction is all good but has nothing to do with poor texturing, which is evident. I don't see what's the big deal either, if it has something lacking then so be it, enjoy it for what it is, why fight it?

 

[chaphack]

Yeah, yeah...

Yes marc!
JD uses many large patches of similar textures while SA2 has many different set of detailed texturing. SA2 is more colorful and dynamic than JD, and that is what im seeing.



Seriously, why do PS2 apologists still not accept the fact about PS2 texturing woes? It has nice polypower and cinematic effects, but the textures are truly no better than DC, when done right. Many a times, they look pathetically blurry and washed out.

I mean, here we have disscussion here, about CLUT vs VQ vs S3TC and the winner is like S3TC -> VQ -> CLUT.

We also have ERP and Archie mentioned about the poor filtering on PS2 hardware. Surely all these do contribute to the usual PS2 complaints(textures/image quality), nay?

 

[marconelly!]

Nobody's not accepting PS2s texturing woes. It's when people make sweeping generalizations (ALL games have terrible textures) that I feel should be corrected

 

[ChryZ]

Why can't PS2 fans admit that the PS2 has IQ and texture weaknesses?

WTF is your point? There is always something better, compare "texturing" of X-Box/GC with the latest agp-cards and you will see weaknesses too. As soon as you leave the shop with any hardware, it will be outdated right away.

However, we've seen the SC2 comparison, IQ/texture-wise there is not much difference. Sony did a great job in this gen ... IMHO

 

[chaphack]

However, we've seen the SC2 comparison, IQ/texture-wise there is not much difference.

Port Sport!
Xbox IQ/textures are easily a step up from PS2. Cant say the same for PS2 vs DC.

Average PS2 image vs average Xbox image

Difference is clear as night and day. It gets bigger when you go for optimised games.

 

[chaphack]

You see people, i always believe in there is no smoke without fire. No one goes about calling "PS2 texturing is teh suck!" just like that.

Similarly, you dont see others denying Xbox being the best console hardware this gen, or howabout anyone complaining about DC/GC textures ever?

We shall see how Sony deal with PS3. They have seen the what Xbox and Cube has done over the PS2 easily. They have heard complains made by development teams. Changes have to be made, i hope they do.

Sega delivered the cool DC after the problematic designed Saturn and Nintendo with its nice GC hardware after the disappointing N64.

 

[wazoo]

You see people, i always believe in there is no smoke without fire. No one goes about calling "PS2 texturing is teh suck!" just like that.

You meant that "no one goes about calling you a troll without reason "

Similarly, you dont see others denying Xbox being the best console hardware this gen, or howabout anyone complaining about DC/GC textures ever?

some Dc games have really bad textures and very poor texturing, but Sega fanboys do not see them and prefer to constantly talk about ps2 first year trash games.

 

[ChryZ]

You see people, i always believe in there is no smoke without fire. No one goes about calling "PS2 texturing is teh suck!" just like that.

PS2's IQ and texturing sucks on a planetary scale, thats for sure:

Primal

 

[marconelly!]

Difference is clear as night and day. It gets bigger when you go for optimised games.

What IS your point really? To convince someone that *average* Xbox game has better image quality and textures than an *average* PS2 game? Is that your way of making fun of people you consider to be retarded, or something? Of course everyone know that it's true.

Besides, that Oni3 grab is precisley that - a videograb (you can easily see color bleeding and other such artifacts present in grabs). DC3 pic is obviously a framebuffer screen, probaby captured at higher resolution and then downsampled. Not to mention you choose the shittiest picture of Oni 3 to begin with. You really are a troll, and a terribly transparent one at that.

 

[chaphack]

Chyz,
Lets just say that any games that gone through artificial touchup will look like those screens you posted.

Better representation. Much closer to my Primal demo.

Besides, that Oni3 grab is precisley that - a videograb (you can easily see color bleeding and other such artifacts present in grabs). DC3 pic is obviously a framebuffer screen

I believe both are officially released screens. Blame Capcom for they are not trying to show the best of their games. I am not even sure if Oni3 is some poor screen grabs.

If it is good, it is good. There is nothing to hide.

You really are a troll, and a terribly transparent one at that

WHOA! Whooooa! Im saddened that you say that of me. I was trying to convince that someone who still believes PS2 == Xbox in IQ/Textures.

 

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

I wish developers will better work with the PS2 architecture than against. We've seen too few examples of this unfortunatly. MGS2 is probably the best example. I think even up to this day, the 'crazyness' of the PS2 architecture is holding it back from reaching optimal visuals.

 

[chaphack]

You see people, i always believe in there is no smoke without fire. No one goes about calling "PS2 texturing is teh suck!" just like that.

You meant that "no one goes about calling you a troll without reason "

Similarly, you dont see others denying Xbox being the best console hardware this gen, or howabout anyone complaining about DC/GC textures ever?

some Dc games have really bad textures and very poor texturing, but Sega fanboys do not see them and prefer to constantly talk about ps2 first year trash games.

Oh cmon! Just because i dont get suckered into everything Sony, that means im a troll?

If DC fans trashed DC texturing, what will happen to PS2 fans and their textures? ZING!
I mean there will be always bad looking games on any systems, but considering DC is so old, it is a pretty good texturing system on average.

 

[chaphack]

I wouldn't call myself a PS2 fan, just someone who chose to buy a PS2 in favour the other two. I think Johnny's being pretty fair with his last two posts. Overall I do feel the PS2 is weak in texturing and filtering capabilities. Even the amazing ICO, when zoomed in have walls that resemble Quake1. Massive geometry, spectacular lighting and stella art direction is all good but has nothing to do with poor texturing, which is evident. I don't see what's the big deal either, if it has something lacking then so be it, enjoy it for what it is, why fight it?


I wish developers will better work with the PS2 architecture than against. We've seen too few examples of this unfortunatly. MGS2 is probably the best example. I think even up to this day, the 'crazyness' of the PS2 architecture is holding it back from reaching optimal visuals.

I agree! And you only own a PS2 right? Thank goodness there are still sensible people around.

+1 JF_Aidan_Pryde


Rule of B3D forum:

Anything critical against PS2 = TROLL!

 

[ChryZ]

Chyz,
Lets just say that any games that gone through artificial touchup will look like those screens you posted.

Better representation. Much closer to my Primal demo.

So you play all your PS2 game through a capture card, de-interlaced & re-interpolated?

I'm runing the game in 16:9/anamorphic (progressive scan would be possible too) and it does look as good as the screens I've posted earlier.

I was trying to convince that someone who still believes PS2 == Xbox in IQ/Textures.

I don't need any convincing, X-Box is superior ... but not as much as you wish.

 

[marconelly!]

Oh cmon! Just because i dont get suckered into everything Sony, that means im a troll?

No, but you can reasonably be considered as one when almost every single of your posts seems to be badmouthing it in one way or another. At least do it with some style and don't be so blatant.

Sad thing is, behaviour like that would get you baned ten times over at GA (that seem to be ridiculed here quite often). There's a reason, I guess, why your posting style there differs quite a bit.

 

[chaphack]

it does look as good as the screens I've posted earlier.

First 2 screens: No. AA is too good for PS2.
Third screen: Yes. Much better representation.

but not as much as you wish.

Oooooui! How much is not as much?

almost every single of your posts seems to be badmouthing it in one way or another. At least do it with some style and don't be so blatant.

Well, i always stick to the bad PS2 IQ/textures arguement. Im being honest here.

GA (that seem to be ridiculed here quite often)

IMHO, the problem with GA is overelitism. Gets worse when the mods are some of those elitists. :? If you are in the pack, you are cool. Else you just get ridiculed, no help from the mods. Very silly.

Thats why i refrain from posting often.

 

[Paul]

I thought you were better than that Chap. You constantly compare the shittiest PS2 screengrabs taken from low res video's and compare them to nice and shiny Xbox screens.

Really, you have got to be the most retarded fan-boy I have ever seen in my life. It's idiots like you who give us REAL Xbox fans a bad name, seriously you need to shut up sometimes.

Why not be fair and compare a real screen shot with a real screenshot? If Silent hill 3 were on Xbox, you would go and rave on how it couldn't be done on PS2, pathedic is what I describe you Chap.

 

[Teasy]

The personal attacks in this thread are starting to get way out of hand!