Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html
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AMD A10
= 1152 Shaders.
Sound familiar?
Coupled with the Sweetvar's comments about Orbis/Durango going with equivalent of market's 7700/7800 series GPUs for the dev kits...
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AMD A10
= 1152 Shaders.
Sound familiar?
Coupled with the Sweetvar's comments about Orbis/Durango going with equivalent of market's 7700/7800 series GPUs for the dev kits...
arijoytunir
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html
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AMD A10
= 1152 Shaders.
Sound familiar?
Coupled with the Sweetvar's comments about Orbis/Durango going with equivalent of market's 7700/7800 series GPUs for the dev kits...
Ign claimed that ps4 was using an amd a8 and hd 7670 . Nxt came the vg247 article where they claimed that ps4 was using an amd a10 and also claimed that the last update to the dev kit was only a graphics card! That gpu can be the 768 GCN gpu because hd 7660 in a10 is same as the hd 7670!
So first it was
A8 + 7670
Then
A8 + the 768 shaders gpu
Then
A10 + 768 shaders gpu
If the a10 will stay as the base of ps4( vg247 claim) is true then the next update will be amd Richland APU having piledriver cores and may be this 768 GCN cores will be the integrated gpu in that APU !
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arijoytunir
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html
768 GCN cores at 860 MHz gives 1.3 TF !
The rumours of the next Xbox having 1.2 TF+ graphics card !
This can indeed be that gpu .
768 GCN cores at 860 MHz gives 1.3 TF !
The rumours of the next Xbox having 1.2 TF+ graphics card !
This can indeed be that gpu .
Interesting. Putting together all the rumors (e.g the pastebin one, the 16 "cores" one), this what I get:
8 Jaguar core @ 1.6 Ghz = 100 Gigaflops
8 CUs @ 1 Ghz = 1 Teraflop/s
Differently from an APUs, MS could have stripped down everything not needed (TMU, ROPs, tessellation unit), and using the CUs as huge FPU, with improved caches and other compute-related features. In some way it's what the Cell was build for, but way easier to code.
Even if they use a Cape Verde-like chip as dedicated GPU, we still have a fairly powerful console.
I think bkilians recent post was a good nix on why this concept is a bad idea.
If anyone would do it (APU+discrete) I see Sony. Simply because they tend to embrace weird esoteric, not necessarily efficient designs, and it would be somewhat of a follow up conceptually to Cell. But hell now that Kutaragi is gone and the way Vita looks (very traditional) who even knows if they do that anymore.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html
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AMD A10
= 1152 Shaders.
Sound familiar?
Coupled with the Sweetvar's comments about Orbis/Durango going with equivalent of market's 7700/7800 series GPUs for the dev kits...
A Pitcairn derivative in a one slot card could only mean: console with updatable graphics.
Pretty sure the final console will have the apu and gpu combined into one big apu with aggregate performance north of 2 teraflops and 2-4 gigs of unified ultra fast ram.
I thought his post was about "normal" APUs, i.e with fully fledged GPUs. What I pictured is more a co-processor for floating point operations without ROPs, TMUs and tessellation unit.
AMD could also improved GNC architecture to make it more compute friendly, for example improving caches size. And that's it. On another die you will have a normal GPU, based on the "regular" GNC architecture. Anyway, this is where lots of rumors now point. Also, a 8 core Jaguar is a really tiny chip, probably too tiny for a proper memory controller.
If "final" means years from launch with smaller processes, maybe, but on launch no chance. MCM could in theory be feasible, but single die? No way it would be too big and controlling hotspots get too hard, I believe.
Why? Pitcairn has 2.5 TF on a 212mm^2 die @ 175W. 8 Jaguar cores and 4MB of cache for them are like >40mm^2 extra. A 250mm^2 die is eminently manufacturable, and if you disable 2 CUs for yields and drop the clocks to 900MHz, you are still above 2TF but now probably at 150W. That's right on the upper limit of feasible, but I think it's still within it.
Personally, I'd bet for a smaller system, but I don't think that's absurd.
You forgot the GPU of the APU from that equation, since the premise was APU + GPU on single die
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fehu, I'd imagine it's easier to balance 2 separate dies hotspots than 1 big die with CPU cores, GPU cores and bigger set of GPU cores on it
(the APU+GPU rumor would support one rumor that said that there will be GPGPU heavily involved, but it won't be the "discrete GPU" doing that job)
Where is the source of the APU+GPU rumor? I've always though the dev kits are APU+GPU out of necessity.
Sweetvar started out saying the Orbis would be an APU solution.
Besides the CPU cores going to be insignificant in terms of die space budget compared to the gpu, since according to Sweetvar Orbis is going with Jaguar too.
Orbis is APU and Durango is SOC. I am betting on it.
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I'm not quite sure, but I think somewhere it was suggested that the final would be APU (CPU + GPU for GPGPU) + GPU (graphics)
Nope. I think we're all thrown off track by dev kit specs.
Now that Sweetvar's info is confirmed to be legit (even his posts on Google Cache have been removed), his word is holy. All his words on Orbis so far.
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There are also his posts on Starsha the early chipsets in PS4, but they've been wiped from the internet.
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Yes, Sweetvar26 mentioned APU only in PS4. He also mentioned that Sony already got the chip back 2 months ago and is sending it one more time, if it all goes well they will be able to start mass production. He also said Microsoft sent their chip for the first time not long ago and should get it back soon.
From memory he also mentioned that both use Jaguar CPUs, and Durango is 2 Jaguar CPC's (Core plus cache) with 4P/2MB. Clocked at 1.6Ghz(~1.25V) which was later confirmed by several people with info. He mentioned that Durango project is of higher priority and that they are doing something special for it. He said that his friend from AMD and the team there feel Durango will be more powerful of the two and that both consoles are scheduled to release in fall 2013 . Thats all that he said until they deleted his posts, removed it from Google cache and he suddenly disappeared.
He probably shouldn't have posted codenames and use his friends laptop while doing it (ip adress and all that).
From memory he also mentioned that both use Jaguar CPUs, and Durango is 2 Jaguar CPC's (Core plus cache) with 4P/2MB. Clocked at 1.6Ghz(~1.25V) which was later confirmed by several people with info. He mentioned that Durango project is of higher priority and that they are doing something special for it. He said that his friend from AMD and the team there feel Durango will be more powerful of the two and that both consoles are scheduled to release in fall 2013 . Thats all that he said until they deleted his posts, removed it from Google cache and he suddenly disappeared.
He probably shouldn't have posted codenames and use his friends laptop while doing it (ip adress and all that).
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